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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, nfsv4@linux-nfs.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/43] FS-Cache: Recruit a couple of page flags for cache management [ver #46]
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 02:25:15 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200904030225.16372.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5198.1238682972@redhat.com>

[sorry for that html crap :(]

On Friday 03 April 2009 01:36:12 David Howells wrote:
> Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > 1) PG_mappedtodisk is basically PG_owner_priv_2. Please alias that and
> > use it? Then at least we're down to 1 extra flag.
> > 2) Why do you need another PG_private?  PG_private for pagecache means
> > that it should call into the filesystem when it needs to handle fs data
> > attached to the page, right? So PG_private_2 doesn't really make sense
> > in that respect.
> 
> Won't that either break fs/buffer.c and fs/mpage.c or preclude the use of
> FS-Cache with block-based filesystems that use the standard buffer wangling
> routines?

Haven't looked closely at how fscache works. Possibly you can't reuse
mappedtodisk....

But PG_private. PG_private from the vm/vfs side means to call into the
filesystem. So from that point, the filesystem should handle it. It just
doesn't seem to make sense to have 2 flags for this.

I mean, there is only the single aop that can be called, so having 2 VM
visible flags doesn't help the VM do anything, and presumably your aop
knows how to handle this, so it should be an fs private bit.

Just give me a situation of why it won't work.


> As I've previously stated, I want to be able to make ISO9660 use FS-Cache.
> That rules out use of PG_mappedtodisk and PG_private for anything FS-Cache
> related.
> 
> We can actually reclaim PG_private, I think.  There are patches to do that.
> At the very least, we can probably reclaim the std buffering code's use of it.

But that's peripheral issue.

 
> If anything, avoiding the need for PG_fscache_write is probably easier - just
> more memory intensive and slower.  I could build a second radix tree for each
> inode that kept track of which pages from that inode FS-Cache knows about, and
> use the status bits in that node to keep track of what pages are being written
> out to the cache.

If it's not much slower, that would be nice.

 
> We still need a way of triggering the page invalidation callbacks for in-use
> pages, however.  PG_private, as I've said, is not currently a viable option.

Can you say exactly why not?

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-02 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200904030051.10644.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
2009-04-01 23:03 ` [PATCH 00/43] Permit filesystem local caching " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:03   ` [PATCH 01/43] Create a dynamically sized pool of threads for doing very slow work items " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:03   ` [PATCH 02/43] Make slow-work thread pool actually dynamic " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:03   ` [PATCH 03/43] Make the slow work pool configurable " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:03   ` [PATCH 04/43] Document the slow work thread pool " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:03   ` [PATCH 05/43] FS-Cache: Release page->private after failed readahead " David Howells
2009-04-02 14:21     ` David Howells
2009-04-02 17:17     ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-01 23:03   ` [PATCH 06/43] FS-Cache: Recruit a couple of page flags for cache management " David Howells
2009-04-02 14:36     ` David Howells
2009-04-02 15:25       ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2009-04-02 15:51       ` David Howells
2009-04-02 16:15         ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 16:53           ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 17:09           ` David Howells
2009-04-02 17:31             ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 17:40             ` David Howells
2009-04-02 18:14               ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 19:19               ` Trond Myklebust
2009-04-03  1:11               ` David Howells
2009-04-02 16:48         ` What I mean by a 'netfs' when dealing with FS-Cache David Howells
2009-04-02 17:06         ` David Howells
2009-04-02 18:23     ` [PATCH 06/43] FS-Cache: Recruit a couple of page flags for cache management [ver #46] Rik van Riel
2009-04-01 23:03   ` [PATCH 07/43] FS-Cache: Add the FS-Cache netfs API and documentation " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 08/43] FS-Cache: Add the FS-Cache cache backend " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 09/43] FS-Cache: Add main configuration option, module entry points and debugging " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 10/43] FS-Cache: Add use of /proc and presentation of statistics " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 11/43] FS-Cache: Root index definition " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 12/43] FS-Cache: Add cache tag handling " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 13/43] FS-Cache: Add cache management " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 14/43] FS-Cache: Provide a slab for cookie allocation " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 15/43] FS-Cache: Add netfs registration " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 16/43] FS-Cache: Bit waiting helpers " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 17/43] FS-Cache: Object management state machine " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 18/43] FS-Cache: Implement the cookie management part of the netfs API " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:04   ` [PATCH 19/43] FS-Cache: Add and document asynchronous operation handling " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 20/43] FS-Cache: Implement data I/O part of netfs API " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 21/43] CacheFiles: Be consistent about the use of mapping vs file->f_mapping in Ext3 " David Howells
2009-04-02 18:52     ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 22/43] CacheFiles: Add a hook to write a single page of data to an inode " David Howells
2009-04-02 14:55     ` David Howells
2009-04-02 15:32       ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 16:37         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-02 16:47           ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 16:55             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-02 17:07               ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 17:26                 ` Jan Kara
2009-04-02 17:22             ` David Howells
2009-04-02 18:18             ` David Howells
2009-04-02 22:44             ` David Howells
2009-04-03 13:41             ` David Howells
2009-04-02 16:02       ` David Howells
2009-04-02 15:32     ` Peter Staubach
2009-04-02 16:03     ` David Howells
2009-04-02 18:48     ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 23/43] CacheFiles: Permit the page lock state to be monitored " David Howells
2009-04-02 15:37     ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 16:14     ` David Howells
2009-04-02 16:35       ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 17:05       ` David Howells
2009-04-02 18:03         ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 18:51     ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 24/43] CacheFiles: Export things for CacheFiles " David Howells
2009-04-02 18:53     ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 25/43] CacheFiles: A cache that backs onto a mounted filesystem " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 26/43] FS-Cache: Make kAFS use FS-Cache " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 27/43] NFS: Add comment banners to some NFS functions " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 28/43] NFS: Add FS-Cache option bit and debug bit " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 29/43] NFS: Permit local filesystem caching to be enabled for NFS " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:05   ` [PATCH 30/43] NFS: Register NFS for caching and retrieve the top-level index " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 31/43] NFS: Define and create server-level objects " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 32/43] NFS: Define and create superblock-level " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 33/43] NFS: Define and create inode-level cache " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 34/43] NFS: Use local disk inode cache " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 35/43] NFS: Invalidate FsCache page flags when cache removed " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 36/43] NFS: Add some new I/O counters for FS-Cache doing things for NFS " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 37/43] NFS: FS-Cache page management " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 38/43] NFS: Add read context retention for FS-Cache to call back with " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 39/43] NFS: nfs_readpage_async() needs to be accessible as a fallback for local caching " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 40/43] NFS: Read pages from FS-Cache into an NFS inode " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 41/43] NFS: Store pages from an NFS inode into a local cache " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:06   ` [PATCH 42/43] NFS: Display local caching state " David Howells
2009-04-01 23:07   ` [PATCH 43/43] NFS: Add mount options to enable local caching on NFS " David Howells

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