From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
mingo@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
roland@redhat.com, suresh.b.siddha@intel.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
hjl.tools@gmail.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: linux-next requirements
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:31:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <201002272331.06439.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10f740e81002271350n1d13b104i58207b40192e9f01@mail.gmail.com>
On Saturday 27 February 2010, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 20:07, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
> > On Saturday 27 February 2010, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >> * Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > Lets see. Over the last 60 days, I have reported 37 build errors. Of
> >> > > > these, 16 were reported against x86, 14 against ppc, 7 against other
> >> > > > archs.
> >> > >
> >> > > So only 43% of them were even relevant on the platform that 95+% of the
> >> > > Linux testers use? Seems to support the points i made.
> >> >
> >> > Well, I hope you don't mean that because the majority of bug reporters (vs
> >> > testers, the number of whom is unknown to me at least) use x86, we are free
> >> > to break the other architectures. ;-)
> >>
> >> It means exactly that: just like we 'can' break compilation with gcc296,
> >> ancient versions of binutils, odd bootloaders, can break the boot via odd
> >> hardware, etc. When someone uses that architectures then the 'easy' bugfixes
> >> will actually flow in very quickly and without much fuss
> >
> > Then I don't understand what the problem with getting them in at the linux-next
> > stage is. They are necessary anyway, so we'll need to add them sooner or
> > later and IMO the sooner the better.
> >
> > Apart from this, that cross-build issues aren't always "easy" and sometimes
> > they take quite some time and engineering effort to resolve. IMO that's better
> > done at the linux-next stage than during a merge window.
> >
> >> - and without burdening developers to consider cases they have no good ways
> >> to test. Why should rare architectures be more important than those other
> >> rare forms of Linux usage?
> >
> > Because the Linus' tree is supposed to build on those architectures. As long
> > as that's the case, linux-next should build on them too.
> >
> >> In fact those rare ways of building and booting the kernel i mentioned are
> >> probably used _more_ than half of the architectures that linux-next
> >> build-tests ...
> >
> > I don't know and you don't know either. That's just pure speculation and
> > therefore meaningless.
>
> If only the CE Linux Forum member companies would publish figures about the
> number of Linux devices they push onto the world population...
>
> Yes I know, this still excludes `obsolete' architectures like parisc
> and alpha, but it would
> change the balance towards x86 (and powerpc?) drastically.
You apparently forgot about ARM.
Rafael
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-27 22:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-11 19:50 [patch v3 0/2] updated ptrace/core-dump patches for supporting xstate - v3 Suresh Siddha
2010-02-11 19:50 ` [patch v3 1/2] x86, ptrace: regset extensions to support xstate Suresh Siddha
2010-02-11 23:18 ` [tip:x86/ptrace] " tip-bot for Suresh Siddha
2010-02-12 3:45 ` [patch v3 1/2] " Roland McGrath
2010-02-12 17:31 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-02-11 19:51 ` [patch v3 2/2] ptrace: Add support for generic PTRACE_GETREGSET/PTRACE_SETREGSET Suresh Siddha
2010-02-11 23:19 ` [tip:x86/ptrace] " tip-bot for Suresh Siddha
2010-02-22 9:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-22 9:33 ` linux-next requiements (Was: Re: [tip:x86/ptrace] ptrace: Add support for generic PTRACE_GETREGSET/PTRACE_SETREGSET) Stephen Rothwell
2010-02-22 10:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-22 11:47 ` linux-next requirements " Stephen Rothwell
2010-02-22 22:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-22 23:59 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-02-23 20:20 ` Roland McGrath
2010-02-23 20:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-23 22:54 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-02-23 8:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-23 19:52 ` Al Viro
2010-02-23 19:57 ` Al Viro
2010-02-24 7:25 ` linux-next requirements Stephen Rothwell
2010-02-27 1:53 ` Grant Likely
2010-02-27 8:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2010-02-27 9:09 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2010-02-27 9:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-27 12:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-27 12:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-27 19:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-27 21:50 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2010-02-27 22:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2010-02-28 7:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-28 12:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-02-28 7:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-28 7:37 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-02-28 7:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-28 8:19 ` Al Viro
2010-02-28 8:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-28 10:26 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-02-28 7:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01 15:13 ` Nick Bowler
2010-03-03 21:53 ` Pavel Machek
2010-03-04 0:35 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-04 0:42 ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-04 1:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-03-04 2:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-22 18:37 ` [tip:x86/ptrace] ptrace: Add support for generic PTRACE_GETREGSET/PTRACE_SETREGSET Roland McGrath
2010-02-23 18:36 ` [tip:x86/ptrace] parisc: Disable CONFIG_HAVE_ARCH_TRACEHOOK tip-bot for Roland McGrath
2010-02-12 3:56 ` [patch v3 2/2] ptrace: Add support for generic PTRACE_GETREGSET/PTRACE_SETREGSET Roland McGrath
2010-02-12 15:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
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