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From: "Carlos R. Mafra" <crmafra2@gmail.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Ben Skeggs <skeggsb@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>,
	dri-devel@lists.sf.net
Subject: Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:00:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100305100030.GA4970@Pilar.aei.mpg.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100305074407.GC19703@elte.hu>

On Fri  5.Mar'10 at  8:44:07 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> Yeah. I've seen a few other bad arguments as well:
> 
>    'exploding test matrix'
> 
> This is often the result of _another_ bad technical decision: 
> over-modularization.
> 
> Xorg, mesa/libdrm and the kernel DRM drivers pretty share this signature:

I agree 100% with this!

I test the kernel often (running 2.6.33-05070-g64ba992 ATM) because
it is _easy_ for me. Every morning I simply do a 'git pull' + compile + install 
and I am ready to test the bleeding edge kernel. 
And everytime I complained about something breaking it got fixed.

Really, testing the linux kernel is a hobby for me because it is easy.

Whereas everytime I wanted to do that with Xorg it was such a pain that
I want to keep away from that mess.
 
>  - it's developed by the same tightly knit developer base who often cross
>    between these packages. Features often need changes in each component.
> 
>  - a developer to be able to do real work has to have the latest sources
>    of all these components.
> 
>  - a user just uses whatever horizontal version cut the distro did and never
>    truly 'mixes' these components as a conscious decision.

True!

Why can't there be a 'Linus Torvalds' for Xorg accepting patches from various
maintainers and keeping the whole thing tied up? Why can't it mimic the
'make menuconfig' way of selecting what to compile to have the guarantee that 
the whole thing will simply work nicely together?

If this could be done for the kernel (which from my user POV seems much more
complicated), I guess it could be done with Xorg. And Linux would have
more Xorg testers and be better as a whole.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-03-05 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-02 23:56 [git pull] drm request 3 Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:27   ` Matt Turner
2010-03-04 18:36   ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:39     ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:51       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:56         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:25             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 20:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 22:06                 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  0:08                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  0:28                     ` Ben Skeggs
2010-03-05  0:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  0:56                         ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05  1:08                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:16                             ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05  1:22                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:20                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:28                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  5:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  5:22                                   ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  5:30                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  5:42                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  1:19                         ` Upstream first policy Kyle McMartin
2010-03-05  1:28                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  2:00                         ` [git pull] drm request 3 Tony Luck
2010-03-05 20:34                         ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05  6:49                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05  7:06                         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-03-05  7:17                           ` "C. Bergström"
2010-03-05  7:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 15:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  7:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05  7:58                             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05  8:16                             ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05 10:00                             ` Carlos R. Mafra [this message]
2010-03-05 12:54                               ` Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3) Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 15:22                               ` Matt Turner
2010-03-05 15:41                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:49                                   ` Making Xorg easier to test David Miller
2010-03-05 16:03                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:06                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 17:50                                     ` Xavier Bestel
2010-03-05 17:54                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 18:02                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 18:05                                           ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:53                               ` Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3) Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:11                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:30                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-08  8:57                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:26                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 13:55                             ` [git pull] drm request 3 Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05 16:21                             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 12:38                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 14:37                           ` David Miller
2010-03-05 14:46                             ` Mike Galbraith
2010-03-05 18:05                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 15:09                             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 15:11                               ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:17                             ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:26                               ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:40                                 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:48                                   ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:02                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:05                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 17:58                                         ` Younes Manton
2010-03-05 16:13                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:23                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:44                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 17:04                                             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:19                                               ` tytso
2010-03-05 16:04                                     ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:06                                       ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:31                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:36                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2010-03-05 16:46                                       ` tytso
2010-03-05 19:38                                         ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:01                                           ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:51                                           ` tytso
2010-03-05 23:50                                             ` Tilman Schmidt
2010-03-05 17:23                                       ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                       ` <hmra63$898$1@xyzzy.farnsworth.org>
2010-03-06  6:17                                         ` Dale Farnsworth
2010-03-06 17:21                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 15:56                                   ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 16:13                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:19                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:38                                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 20:59                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05 16:25                                       ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 15:42                                 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:07                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 17:42                               ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 19:11                                 ` Justin P. mattock
2010-03-04 19:33             ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:12         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:43   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:50     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:01         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:04         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:25             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:41               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:53                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:07                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 20:46                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:57                     ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-04 22:54                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:03                         ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:27                             ` Michel Dänzer
2010-03-04 23:28                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:35                               ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:53                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05  0:24                                   ` Ed Tomlinson
2010-03-05  0:24                                   ` Kyle McMartin
2010-03-04 23:28                             ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:05                         ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 12:26                         ` Alan Cox
2010-03-04 22:28             ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 23:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:14                 ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05 12:29                 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:18                 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 19:32           ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:18             ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 22:21               ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:59                 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05 11:24                   ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 15:46                     ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05  1:47             ` Robert Hancock
2010-03-05 12:21             ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 19:30               ` Eric Anholt
2010-03-05 20:39                 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-06 15:23     ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 17:40       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 19:06         ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 19:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 20:49             ` tytso
2010-03-06 20:52               ` Alan Cox
2010-03-06 22:38                 ` tytso
2010-03-04 21:21   ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:22     ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:27   ` Maarten Maathuis

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