From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Luca Barbieri <luca.barbieri@gmail.com>
Cc: Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
skeggsb@gmail.com, airlied@linux.ie,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org,
dri-devel@lists.sf.net, mingo@elte.hu,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:13:11 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100305161311.656711e0@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ff13bc9a1003050756rca44e03uffbfa3090f96e0ac@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:56:10 +0100
Luca Barbieri <luca.barbieri@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems to me that Linus' technical argument is indeed being mostly ignored.
>
> While breaking the ABI is unfortunate, the real problem that Linus
> complained about is that you can't install several userspace versions
> side-by-side.
I think you need to be clearer about that. Your distribution packaging
may not support that out of the box. There are a variety of ways to do
almsot all of this including having entire parallel X installs for
development work.
All the X builds are modular, all the modular builds support --prefix=
with their autogen script. ld.so supports LD_LIBRARY_PATH and the shells
support PATH variables.
You can replace all or almost any part of X quite easily. There is also a
mechanism for versioning within DRM for a lot of stuff, and drivers use
flags to make it work nicely except for devel code (which is what Nouveau
is)
The fundamental problem you can't solve by versioning though is the exact
one here. A new kernel that requires version X of a driver won't help if
the newest version you have is X - 1.
Yeah perhaps Fedora should have pushed an update that was smart enough to
handle the Nouveau old/new ABI before the patch went upstream. Hindsight
is an exact science.
Alan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-03-05 16:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-02 23:56 Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:27 ` Matt Turner
2010-03-04 18:36 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:39 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 18:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:56 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:25 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 20:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 22:06 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05 0:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 0:28 ` Ben Skeggs
2010-03-05 0:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 0:56 ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05 1:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 1:16 ` Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05 1:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 1:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 1:28 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05 5:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 5:22 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05 5:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 5:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 1:19 ` Upstream first policy Kyle McMartin
2010-03-05 1:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 2:00 ` [git pull] drm request 3 Tony Luck
2010-03-05 20:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05 6:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 7:06 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-03-05 7:17 ` "C. Bergström"
2010-03-05 7:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 15:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 7:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 7:58 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-05 8:16 ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05 10:00 ` Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3) Carlos R. Mafra
2010-03-05 12:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 15:22 ` Matt Turner
2010-03-05 15:41 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:49 ` Making Xorg easier to test David Miller
2010-03-05 16:03 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:06 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 17:50 ` Xavier Bestel
2010-03-05 17:54 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 18:02 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 18:05 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:53 ` Making Xorg easier to test (was Re: [git pull] drm request 3) Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:11 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-08 8:57 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:26 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 13:55 ` [git pull] drm request 3 Luc Verhaegen
2010-03-05 16:21 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 12:38 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 14:37 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 14:46 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-03-05 18:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-05 15:09 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 15:11 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:17 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:26 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 15:40 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 15:48 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:02 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:05 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 17:58 ` Younes Manton
2010-03-05 16:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:23 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 17:04 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:19 ` tytso
2010-03-05 16:04 ` Daniel Stone
2010-03-05 16:06 ` David Miller
2010-03-05 16:31 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 17:36 ` Jerome Glisse
2010-03-05 16:46 ` tytso
2010-03-05 19:38 ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:01 ` Corbin Simpson
2010-03-05 21:51 ` tytso
2010-03-05 23:50 ` Tilman Schmidt
2010-03-05 17:23 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <hmra63$898$1@xyzzy.farnsworth.org>
2010-03-06 6:17 ` Dale Farnsworth
2010-03-06 17:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-03-05 15:56 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 16:13 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2010-03-05 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 16:38 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 20:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-03-05 16:25 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-05 15:42 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 17:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 19:11 ` Justin P. mattock
2010-03-04 19:33 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-04 19:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 18:50 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 18:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:04 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 19:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 19:53 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 20:46 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-03-04 20:57 ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-04 22:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:03 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:27 ` Michel Dänzer
2010-03-04 23:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:35 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-05 0:24 ` Ed Tomlinson
2010-03-05 0:24 ` Kyle McMartin
2010-03-04 23:28 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-04 23:05 ` Jesse Barnes
2010-03-05 12:26 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-04 22:28 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 23:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-04 23:14 ` Stephane Marchesin
2010-03-05 12:29 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 16:18 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 19:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:18 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-04 22:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-04 22:59 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05 11:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2010-03-05 15:46 ` Adam Jackson
2010-03-05 1:47 ` Robert Hancock
2010-03-05 12:21 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-05 19:30 ` Eric Anholt
2010-03-05 20:39 ` Luca Barbieri
2010-03-06 15:23 ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 17:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 19:06 ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2010-03-06 19:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-03-06 20:49 ` tytso
2010-03-06 20:52 ` Alan Cox
2010-03-06 22:38 ` tytso
2010-03-04 21:21 ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:22 ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-04 21:27 ` Maarten Maathuis
2010-03-05 22:18 Jonas Ritz
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