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From: "Henrik Rydberg" <rydberg@euromail.se>
To: Benjamin Tissoires <benjamin.tissoires@gmail.com>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Stephane Chatty <chatty@enac.fr>,
	linux-input <linux-input@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/11] HID: hid-multitouch: fix Win 8 protocol
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:54:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121104205459.GA777@polaris.bitmath.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN+gG=E1DOPrxw4PDNVRDf-cPd7qaq5Sbgo2WC5cApTNn8t9Yg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Benjamin,

> The goal of this patch is to implement in a reliable way Win 8
> multitouch protocol (to avoid quirking many devices). Thanks to the
> precision they made in the specification, I think it is feasible:
> they add the dynamic part that were missing in Win 7 spec:
> """
> When sending data in hybrid or parallel mode, a contact that is
> delivered in one report must be delivered in all subsequent reports
> until it is lifted off the screen. If time is needed to adequate
> determine if the contact was lifted off the surface, the device must
> report the last known position of the contact and then deliver the
> “UP” state of the contact in a subsequent report. Devices should not
> send a report without the information for that contact while trying to
> determine its current state.
> """

The text seems to say that devices are not required to send touch
state information in a separate frame, but if the device needs time to
determine the touch state, the touch properties should stay the same
during that time.

> Thus, the quirk ALWAYS_VALID fits very well with win 8 devices (the
> device has to send the touch until it is lifted and out of range, and
> the device must send the 'up' state).

One could simply add another quirk which fits the win8 case exactly
instead. No need to change the existing one.

> The problem lies that some devices may reuse contact id 0 within the
> frame for the end of the report (my Win8 device doesn't has this kind
> of problem):
> 
> With the following hid usages:
> I -> contact Id
> T -> tip switch
> X, Y -> X, Y
> S -> scan time
> C -> contact count
> 
> a friendly device would report:
> 
> I:1 T:1 X:125 X:130 Y:750 Y:755 I:0 T:0 X:0 X:0 Y:0 Y:0 S:0 C:01
> I:1 T:1 X:130 X:135 Y:750 Y:755 I:0 T:0 X:0 X:0 Y:0 Y:0 S:1 C:01
> I:1 T:1 X:135 X:140 Y:750 Y:755 I:0 T:0 X:0 X:0 Y:0 Y:0 S:2 C:01
> I:1 T:1 X:140 X:145 Y:750 Y:755 I:0 T:0 X:0 X:0 Y:0 Y:0 S:3 C:01
> I:1 T:0 X:140 X:145 Y:750 Y:755 I:0 T:0 X:0 X:0 Y:0 Y:0 S:4 C:01
> 
> *but*, I've already seen win 7 devices, that do send:
> 
> I:0 T:1 X:125 X:130 Y:750 Y:755 I:0 T:0 X:0 X:0 Y:0 Y:0 S:0 C:01
> I:0 T:1 X:130 X:135 Y:750 Y:755 I:0 T:0 X:0 X:0 Y:0 Y:0 S:1 C:01
> I:0 T:1 X:135 X:140 Y:750 Y:755 I:0 T:0 X:0 X:0 Y:0 Y:0 S:2 C:01
> I:0 T:1 X:140 X:145 Y:750 Y:755 I:0 T:0 X:0 X:0 Y:0 Y:0 S:3 C:01
> I:0 T:0 X:140 X:145 Y:750 Y:755 I:0 T:0 X:0 X:0 Y:0 Y:0 S:4 C:01

I see, more brain-damaged usage. :-) Still, there seems to be a
simpler way to distinguish this case: if there are more than one touch
with the same id in the frame, use the one with T=1.

> The difference lies in the first bit, contact id is 0.
> 
> So, the quirk always valid is not sufficient because the second touch
> in the frame will override the values of the first (the valid one).
> 
> As Microsoft says that "the device must report the last known position
> of the contact and then deliver the “UP” state of the contact", so we
> can safely discard the second touch because X and Y do not match the
> current state of the valid touch.
> 
> Then, as exposed in the "How to Design and Test Multitouch Hardware
> Solutions for Windows 8" document here:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh872968.aspx
> when the device attempt the certification, if the "up" is not valid,
> the error "Last move location different" raises, which, I hope will
> prevent the device to get the certification.

I think it would be too fragile to rely on this assumption. Hopefully
the suggestion above will work equally well.

Thanks,
Henrik

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-04 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-26  8:44 [PATCH v2 00/11] Win 8 support for digitizers Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] HID: hid-input: export hidinput_calc_abs_res Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 18:57   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-30 10:04     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] HID: core: fix unit exponent parsing Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 19:05   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-30 10:07     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] HID: hid-input: add usage_index argument in input_mapping and event Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 19:25   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-30 10:09     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-11-06 13:56       ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-11-06 15:24         ` Jiri Kosina
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] HID: hid-multitouch: support arrays for the split of the touches in a report Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 21:49   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-30 10:11     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] HID: hid-multitouch: get maxcontacts also from logical_max value Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 21:52   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] HID: hid-multitouch: support T and C for win8 devices Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 22:00   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-30 10:16     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-31 18:47       ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] HID: hid-multitouch: move ALWAYS_VALID quirk check Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 22:16   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-30 10:19     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] HID: hid-multitouch: fix Win 8 protocol Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 22:19   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-30 10:24     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-31 18:53       ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-11-02 14:18         ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-11-04 20:54           ` Henrik Rydberg [this message]
2012-11-05  9:51             ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] HID: hid-multitouch: support for hovering devices Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 22:31   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-30 10:43     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] HID: introduce Scan Time Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 22:43   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-30 10:54     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-31 19:16       ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-11-02 14:23         ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-26  8:44 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] HID: hid-multitouch: get rid of usbhid depedency for general path Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-29 22:57   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-10-30 11:04     ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-10-31 19:18       ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-11-05 12:57       ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-11-05 13:28         ` Benjamin Tissoires
2012-11-05 13:32           ` Benjamin Tissoires

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