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From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: luto@amacapital.net, tj@kernel.org, dwalsh@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lpoetter@redhat.com,
	ssorce@redhat.com, cgroups@vger.kernel.org, kay@redhat.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing cgroup path
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:04:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140424210429.GD19091@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140424.164820.1543648508330465096.davem@davemloft.net>

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 04:48:20PM -0400, David Miller wrote:
> From: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:34:27 -0400
> 
> > By open() time you mean at socket() time or at connect() time?
> 
> I mean at all of the places at which init_peercred() occurs.

init_peercred() is only used for stream sockets and not for datagram
sockets. Hence the confusion that what are cgroup semantics for datagram
sockets.

> 
> > You also mentioned that you want SO_PEERCGROUP and SO_PASSCGROUP as
> > pairs like SO_PEERCRED and SO_PASSCRED.  But to me, SO_PEERCRED and
> > SO_PASSCRED are not *exact* pairs and are little different in their
> > semantics.  SO_PEERCRED gives us client creds at connect() time
> > while SO_PASSCRED client's real creds at sendmsg() time. SO_PASSCRED
> > does not store client's credential's at connect() time for datagram
> > sockets.
> 
> Then you haven't been following the discussion.
> 
> The client's credentials at sendmsg()/write() time are "DO NOT CARE".
> 
> You cannot even guarentee the semantics in the logging example if
> you ask for these "client identity at sendmsg() time" semantics.
> 
> What if the event occured when the client was in cgroup1, and the
> log message goes out after it has been moved into cgroup2?

Does it really matter. If a task is changing cgroup while it is doing
other operations, I don't think one can guarantee which cgroup kernel
will effectively uses for a particular operation. It will depend on
what was cgroup when kernel actually made task_cgroup() call. 

> 
> That is just proof that this whole idea is fundamentally flawed.

I don't think anybody is looking for such strong semantics. For example,
same issue will exist if receiver gets the message and looks up
/proc/pid/cgroup to associate message with a cgroup. By then task might
have changed cgroup.

So I really don't think changing cgroup is a problem w.r.t API.

Thanks
Vivek

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-24 21:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-15 21:15 [PATCH 0/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP and SO_PASSCGROUP socket options Vivek Goyal
2014-04-15 21:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP Vivek Goyal
2014-04-15 21:54   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16  0:22     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-15 21:15 ` [PATCH 2/2] net: Implement SO_PASSCGROUP to enable passing cgroup path Vivek Goyal
2014-04-15 21:53   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-15 23:09     ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16  0:20     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16  1:05       ` David Miller
2014-04-16  3:47       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 10:17         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 14:34           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 15:10             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 12:57         ` David Miller
2014-04-16 14:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 16:13             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16 16:21               ` Tejun Heo
2014-04-16 16:54                 ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16 16:31               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 17:02                 ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16 17:29                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 17:34                     ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-16 17:53                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:36                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 18:40                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:51                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 18:59                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:06                 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 18:13                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 18:25                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 18:35                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 19:06                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 19:13                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-16 19:39                             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 20:24                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 13:41                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-16 18:59                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 15:41                       ` Daniel J Walsh
2014-04-17 16:04                         ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 16:11                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 16:24                             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 16:37                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 16:48                                 ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 16:55                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 17:12                                     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 17:26                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 17:33                                         ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 17:35                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 17:47                                             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 18:05                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 18:23                                             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 18:33                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 18:50                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 18:57                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 19:06                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 19:15                                                     ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 19:19                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 19:10                                                 ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 19:16                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 19:46                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-21 15:03                                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-21 15:47                                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-23 15:07                                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 15:37                                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-23 16:01                                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 19:23                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 17:52                                         ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 18:04                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 18:31                                             ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-17 16:38                             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-17 16:05                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-17 16:12                         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 16:45         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 17:29           ` David Miller
2014-04-24 20:34             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-24 20:48               ` David Miller
2014-04-24 21:04                 ` Vivek Goyal [this message]
2014-04-24 21:11                   ` David Miller
2014-04-25  0:29                     ` Simo Sorce
2014-04-22 20:05 ` [PATCH 0/2] net: Implement SO_PEERCGROUP and SO_PASSCGROUP socket options David Miller
2014-04-22 20:08   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-22 20:29     ` David Miller
2014-04-22 20:31       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-22 20:32         ` David Miller
2014-04-23  0:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-23 19:05         ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 20:53           ` Daniel J Walsh
2014-04-24 13:01             ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 15:55   ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 16:16     ` Vivek Goyal
2014-04-23 17:21     ` Andy Lutomirski

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