From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <Dietmar.Eggemann@arm.com>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
Nicolas Pitre <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
Mike Turquette <mturquette@linaro.org>,
"rjw@rjwysocki.net" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] sched: Introduce scale-invariant load tracking
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:00:54 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141008110054.GA1788@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141002203428.GI2849@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 09:34:28PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 06:23:43PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
>
> > > Why haven't you used arch_scale_freq_capacity which has a similar
> > > purpose in scaling the CPU capacity except the additional sched_domain
> > > pointer argument ?
> >
> > To be honest I'm not happy with introducing another arch-function
> > either and I'm happy to change that. It wasn't really clear to me which
> > functions that would remain after your cpu_capacity rework patches, so I
> > added this one. Now that we have most of the patches for capacity
> > scaling and scale-invariant load-tracking on the table I think we have a
> > better chance of figuring out which ones are needed and exactly how they
> > are supposed to work.
> >
> > arch_scale_load_capacity() compensates for both frequency scaling and
> > micro-architectural differences, while arch_scale_freq_capacity() only
> > for frequency. As long as we can use arch_scale_cpu_capacity() to
> > provide the micro-architecture scaling we can just do the scaling in two
> > operations rather than one similar to how it is done for capacity in
> > update_cpu_capacity(). I can fix that in the next version. It will cost
> > an extra function call and multiplication though.
> >
> > To make sure that runnable_avg_{sum, period} are still bounded by
> > LOAD_AVG_MAX, arch_scale_{cpu,freq}_capacity() must both return a factor
> > in the range 0..SCHED_CAPACITY_SCALE.
>
> I would certainly like some words in the Changelog on how and that the
> math is still free of overflows. Clearly you've thought about it, so
> please feel free to elucidate the rest of us :-)
Sure. The easiest way to avoid introducing overflows is to ensure that
we always scale by a factor >= 1.0. That should be true as long as
arch_scale_{cpu,freq}_capacity() never returns anything greater than
SCHED_CAPACITY_SCALE (= 1024 = 1.0).
If we take big.LITTLE is an example, the max cpu capacity of a big cpu
would be 1024 and since we multiply the scaling factors (as in
update_cpu_capacity()) the max frequency scaling capacity factor would
be 1024. The result is a 1.0 (1.0 * 1.0) scaling factor when a task is
running on a big cpu at the highest frequency. At 50% frequency, the
scaling factor is 0.5 (1.0 * 0.5).
For a little cpu arch_scale_cpu_capacity() would return something less
than 1024, 512 for example. The max frequency scaling capacity factor is
1024. A task running on a little cpu at max frequency would have its
load scaled by 0.5 (0.5 * 1.0). At 50% frequency, it would be 0.25 (0.5
* 0.5).
However, as said earlier (below), we have to go through the load-balance
code to ensure that it doesn't blow up when cpu capacities get small
(huge.TINY), but the load-tracking code itself should be fine I think.
>
> > > If we take the example of an always running task, its runnable_avg_sum
> > > should stay at the LOAD_AVG_MAX value whatever the frequency of the
> > > CPU on which it runs. But your change links the max value of
> > > runnable_avg_sum with the current frequency of the CPU so an always
> > > running task will have a load contribution of 25%
> > > your proposed scaling is fine with usage_avg_sum which reflects the
> > > effective running time on the CPU but the runnable_avg_sum should be
> > > able to reach LOAD_AVG_MAX whatever the current frequency is
> >
> > I don't think it makes sense to scale one metric and not the other. You
> > will end up with two very different (potentially opposite) views of the
> > cpu load/utilization situation in many scenarios. As I see it,
> > scale-invariance and load-balancing with scale-invariance present can be
> > done in two ways:
> >
> > 1. Leave runnable_avg_sum unscaled and scale running_avg_sum.
> > se->avg.load_avg_contrib will remain unscaled and so will
> > cfs_rq->runnable_load_avg, cfs_rq->blocked_load_avg, and
> > weighted_cpuload(). Essentially all the existing load-balancing code
> > will continue to use unscaled load. When we want to improve cpu
> > utilization and energy-awareness we will have to bypass most of this
> > code as it is likely to lead us on the wrong direction since it has a
> > potentially wrong view of the cpu load due to the lack of
> > scale-invariance.
> >
> > 2. Scale both runnable_avg_sum and running_avg_sum. All existing load
> > metrics including weighted_cpuload() are scaled and thus more accurate.
> > The difference between se->avg.load_avg_contrib and
> > se->avg.usage_avg_contrib is the priority scaling and whether or not
> > runqueue waiting time is counted. se->avg.load_avg_contrib can only
> > reach se->load.weight when running on the fastest cpu at the highest
> > frequency, but it is now scale-invariant so we have much better idea
> > about how much load we are pulling when load-balancing two cpus running
> > at different frequencies. The load-balance code-path still has to be
> > audited to see if anything blows up due to the scaling. I haven't
> > finished doing that yet. This patch set doesn't include patches to
> > address such issues (yet). IMHO, by scaling runnable_avg_sum we can more
> > easily make the existing load-balancing code do the right thing.
> >
> > For both options we have to go through the existing load-balancing code
> > to either change it to use the scale-invariant metric (running_avg_sum)
> > when appropriate or to fix bits that don't work properly with a
> > scale-invariant runnable_avg_sum and reuse the existing code. I think
> > the latter is less intrusive, but I might be wrong.
> >
> > Opinions?
>
> /me votes #2, I think the example in the reply is a false one, an always
> running task will/should ramp up the cpufreq and get us at full speed
> (and yes I'm aware of the case where you're memory bound and raising the
> cpu freq isn't going to actually improve performance, but I'm not sure
> we want to get/be that smart, esp. at this stage).
Okay, and agreed that memory bound task smarts are out of scope for the
time being.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-10-08 11:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-22 16:24 [PATCH 0/7] sched: Scale-invariant per-entity load-tracking Morten Rasmussen
2014-09-22 16:24 ` [PATCH 1/7] sched: Introduce scale-invariant load tracking Morten Rasmussen
2014-09-25 13:48 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-09-25 17:23 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-09-26 7:36 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-09-26 9:38 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-10-02 20:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-08 11:00 ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2014-10-08 11:21 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-10-08 13:53 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-10-08 14:08 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-10-08 14:16 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-10-08 11:38 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-10-08 14:05 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-10-10 9:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-08 0:50 ` Yuyang Du
2014-10-08 12:54 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-10-10 9:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-10 9:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-22 16:24 ` [PATCH 2/7] cpufreq: Architecture specific callback for frequency changes Morten Rasmussen
2014-10-08 6:07 ` Mike Turquette
2014-10-08 6:26 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] introduce capacity_ops to CFS Mike Turquette
2014-10-08 6:26 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] sched: cfs: introduce capacity_ops Mike Turquette
2014-10-08 8:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20141008232836.4379.3339@quantum>
2014-10-09 9:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20141009173433.4379.58492@quantum>
2014-10-09 19:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-10-08 6:26 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] cpufreq: arm_big_little: provide cpu capacity Mike Turquette
2014-10-08 15:48 ` Morten Rasmussen
[not found] ` <20141008223732.4379.78047@quantum>
2014-10-09 9:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20141009172513.4379.56718@quantum>
2014-10-09 17:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-22 16:24 ` [PATCH 3/7] arm: Frequency invariant scheduler load-tracking support Morten Rasmussen
2014-09-22 16:24 ` [PATCH 4/7] arm: Micro-architecture invariant load tracking support Morten Rasmussen
2014-09-22 16:24 ` [PATCH 5/7] sched: Implement usage tracking Morten Rasmussen
2014-09-22 16:24 ` [PATCH 6/7] sched: Make sched entity usage tracking scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2014-09-22 17:13 ` bsegall
2014-09-23 13:35 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-10-02 21:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-22 16:24 ` [PATCH 7/7] sched: Track sched_entity usage contributions Morten Rasmussen
2014-09-22 17:09 ` bsegall
2014-09-23 13:59 ` Morten Rasmussen
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