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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Q: schedule() and implied barriers on arm64
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:04:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151016160422.GQ3910@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151016151830.GZ3816@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 05:18:30PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> IIRC Paul relies on schedule() implying a full memory barrier with
> strong transitivity for RCU.
> 
> If not, ignore this email.

Not so sure about schedule(), but definitely need strong transitivity
for the rcu_node structure's ->lock field.  And the atomic operations
on the rcu_dyntick structure's fields when entering or leaving the
idle loop.

With schedule, the thread later reports the quiescent state, which
involves acquiring the rcu_node structure's ->lock field.  So I -think-
that the locks in the scheduler can be weakly transitive.

> If so, however, I suspect AARGH64 is borken and would need (just like
> PPC):
> 
> #define smp_mb__before_spinlock()	smp_mb()
> 
> The problem is that schedule() (when a NO-OP) does:
> 
> 	smp_mb__before_spinlock();
> 	LOCK rq->lock
> 
> 	clear_bit()
> 
> 	UNLOCK rq->lock
> 
> And nothing there implies a full barrier on AARGH64, since
> smp_mb__before_spinlock() defaults to WMB, LOCK is an "ldaxr" or
> load-acquire, UNLOCK is "stlrh" or store-release and clear_bit() isn't
> anything.
> 
> Pretty much every other arch has LOCK implying a full barrier, either
> because its strongly ordered or because it needs one for the ACQUIRE
> semantics.

Well, arm64 might well need smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() to be non-empty.
But I thought that it used a dmb in the spinlock code somewhere or
another...

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-16 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-16 15:18 Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-16 16:04 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2015-10-16 16:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-16 16:28     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-16 16:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-16 16:55     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-10-16 17:28       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-16 19:07         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-16 19:20           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-10-19 15:18         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-10-16 19:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-19  7:06         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-19  9:04           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-19 15:21           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-10-19 16:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-20  8:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-27 16:19               ` Will Deacon
2015-10-27 18:40                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-10-28 10:39                   ` Will Deacon
2015-10-16 17:11   ` Catalin Marinas

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