From: Andreas Mohr <andi@lisas.de>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Andreas Mohr <andi@lisas.de>,
Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCHv3 2/5] printk: introduce printing kernel thread
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 08:26:20 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170629062620.GA26558@rhlx01.hs-esslingen.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170628121925.GN1538@pathway.suse.cz>
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 02:19:25PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> On Wed 2017-05-31 16:22:33, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> > so I try to minimize the negative impact of RT prio here. printk_kthread
> > is not special any more. it's an auxiliary kthread that we sometimes
> > wake_up. the thing is that printk_kthread also must offload at some
> > point, basically the same `atomic_print_limit' limit applies to it as
> > well.
>
> You might call cond_resched() outside console_unlock(). But you have
> to keep printk_kthread in runnable state as long as there are pending
> messages. Then scheduler will always prefer this RT task over non-RT
> tasks. Or am I wrong?
Not sure whether I mentioned this advice before, but:
I believe we should strive to achieve a design where
cond_resched() etc. is *not* needed -
cond_resched() / sleep() etc. likely are signs of extended code smell:
one should strive to achieve handling which has
a properly *precisely*/*strictly* handshaked
request/response (producer/consumer) communication protocol.
I.e., IPC mechanism objects (mutex etc.).
That way, one avoids
the polling-type, imprecise-type "are we there yet? is it our job now?" handling
and instead uses
properly precise (thus, *not* needlessly inefficient!)
scheduler wakeup mechanisms.
Thus, it's "merely" (hah!) a matter of
designing handling where responsibilities / transitions are clearly spelt out,
thus end up as
properly precisely implemented notifications via IPC mechanisms.
For a very simple setup (which quite possibly cannot be done this easily!),
things could be:
printk_work_wakeup_one_worker()
{
reliably_notify_only_one_available_computing_hardware_resource(); <-- kernel mechanism available, I think
}
void printk_work_dump_my_package(work_count_max)
{
while (++work_count < work_count_max)
printk_work_dump_element();
}
void printk_work_dump_handler(work_count_max)
{
--> added mutex to have continuation check be done within *inner* atomic handling section (avoid race window).
printk_work_dump_my_package(work_count_max);
take_mutex();
bool all_done = !have_payload_remain;
bool need_continuation = !(all_done);
if (need_continuation)
printk_work_wakeup_one_worker();
release_mutex();
}
worker thread frame function:
WORKER printk_work_worker()
{
for (;;)
{
switch(select())
case dump_requested:
printk_work_dump_handler(printk_work_count_max_kthread);
case termination_requested:
return;
}
}
/* tasked_cpus = all_cpus; */
tasked_cpus = all_cpus / 4 */
for(tasked_cpus)
{
new_kthread(printk_work_worker());
}
printk_impl()
{
printk_queue_element(...);
printk_work_dump_handler(printk_work_count_max_immediate);
}
Very Q&D thoughts, but might be helpful...
(ermm, however launching #cpus workers most likely is useless,
since schedulable decision-making does *not* depend on #cpus -
if any computing resource is available, this *can* be executed, thus
quite likely only one worker is needed anyway - no, two, since
one worker needs to be able to wake up precisely *one* other
to have things precisely continue on *another* computing resource!)
Oh, and this doesn't implement
(and especially not reliably/atomically race-window-less)
the case of
having another activity trigger another printk queuing
and thus (potentially - but not necessarily!!) another package dump activity
while some worker activity already is ongoing.
I.e. we've got a race window in the (multi-)use of printk_work_dump_handler()
(which should be solvable, though).
Oh, and rather than doing some specific work_count limit comparisons,
it might actually be more elegant instead to
bundle worker work packages in *advance*,
to achieve simple/isolated/separate submission to
whichever worker one would prefer; inner handling would then simply do:
work_handler()
{
while (!my_package_done)
dump_package_element();
}
But splitting into separate work packages bears the risk of
illegal reordering of printk payload elements, thus
most likely one should *not* do this and instead keep doing
simple work_count checks on a *global*/*shared* printk queue payload
(insertion submission of further elements into this queue
must still be possible at any time
without (excessive) blocking, though, of course).
while (can_continue_dumping)
{
payload_mutex_begin();
element = grab_element();
payload_mutex_end();
dump_element(element);
}
payload_mutex_begin();
queue_element(element);
payload_mutex_end();
HTH,
Andreas Mohr
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-06-29 6:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-05-09 8:28 [RFC][PATCHv3 0/5] " Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-09 8:28 ` [RFC][PATCHv3 1/5] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-25 12:11 ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-25 12:36 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-25 12:43 ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-09 8:28 ` [RFC][PATCHv3 2/5] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-10 5:59 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-29 9:29 ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-29 12:12 ` Jan Kara
2017-05-31 7:30 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-31 21:44 ` Andreas Mohr
2017-06-01 7:21 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-01 7:23 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-01 9:20 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-28 13:17 ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-29 7:40 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-28 12:45 ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-31 7:22 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-28 12:19 ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-29 6:26 ` Andreas Mohr [this message]
2017-06-29 7:00 ` Andreas Mohr
2017-06-29 7:33 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-29 11:24 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-30 7:01 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 10:18 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-30 11:57 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 12:35 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-30 12:50 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 13:16 ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-30 13:38 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-07-03 11:11 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-07-02 20:27 ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-05 16:36 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-07-03 19:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-04 5:26 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-07-04 6:53 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 14:10 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 11:54 ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-30 12:42 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 13:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-06-30 14:28 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 14:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-01 1:50 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-07-04 14:03 ` Petr Mladek
2017-07-05 5:02 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-09 8:28 ` [RFC][PATCHv3 3/5] printk: add enforce_emergency parameter Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-09 8:28 ` [RFC][PATCHv3 4/5] printk: enable printk offloading Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-09 8:28 ` [RFC][PATCHv3 5/5] printk: register PM notifier Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-30 9:55 ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-31 6:42 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-27 14:45 ` Petr Mladek
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