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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Andreas Mohr <andi@lisas.de>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCHv3 2/5] printk: introduce printing kernel thread
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 23:28:51 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170630142851.GF792@jagdpanzerIV.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170630093309.5994110a@gandalf.local.home>

On (06/30/17 09:33), Steven Rostedt wrote:
[..]
> > "something sometime in the future" is equal to "no one".
> > 
> > we must stay and continue printing. because it gives the right
> > answer - "current process and right now. until someone else
> > (+printk_kthread) takes over".
> 
> Would it be acceptable to have a user knob that allows for it not to
> happen? That is, let the user of the kernel decide if they care about
> critical prints or not? If a knob says, "only print X, then offload"
> would that be allowed. Of course the default would be "only print ALL
> OF IT" to keep the current behavior.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I got your question right (I need some rest
probably).

I guess the question was, a knob that would determine what happens after
current wakes up printk_kthread -- does it stay in console_unlock() and
wait for new console_sem owner, printing the messages in the meantime,
or goes all in and expects printk_kthread or anything else to lock
console_sem at some point and flush the remaining messages. is that
correct? we can do this (well, I'm absolutely not in position to say
"we can't do this" :) ). I guess the sort of a problem we have now is
that we can't guarantee that wake_up() will actually wake_up printk_kthread.
but if user requests it, then well... it might be easier to adjust watchdog
timeout value ;) just kidding. or may be I misunderstood your question.


or... another silly idea... shall we start touching the lockup
watchdog per-cpu counters on the CPU that has:

a) woken up printk_kthread
b) but is still in console_unlock() waiting for the new console_sem owner?

...

or we, may be, can add a new sysrq that would flush logbuf messages...
the same way as console_flush_on_panic() does. just in case if wake_up
didn't work.... or is there already a sysrq for that?

	-ss

> A lot of times the console isn't recorded to debug hard lock ups. I
> know most desktops running a GUI do not. When ever my workstation locks
> up, and it has no serial, I don't get to see the dmesg at all. In this
> situation, I don't care if the prints are offloaded or not.
> 
> -- Steve
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-30 14:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-09  8:28 [RFC][PATCHv3 0/5] " Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-09  8:28 ` [RFC][PATCHv3 1/5] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-25 12:11   ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-25 12:36     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-25 12:43       ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-09  8:28 ` [RFC][PATCHv3 2/5] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-10  5:59   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-29  9:29     ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-29 12:12       ` Jan Kara
2017-05-31  7:30         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-31 21:44           ` Andreas Mohr
2017-06-01  7:21           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-01  7:23             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-01  9:20             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-28 13:17             ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-29  7:40               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-28 12:45           ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-31  7:22       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-28 12:19         ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-29  6:26           ` Andreas Mohr
2017-06-29  7:00             ` Andreas Mohr
2017-06-29  7:33           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-29 11:24             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-30  7:01             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 10:18               ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-30 11:57                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 12:35                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-30 12:50                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 13:16               ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-30 13:38                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-07-03 11:11                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-07-02 20:27                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-07-05 16:36                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-07-03 19:34                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-04  5:26                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-07-04  6:53                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 14:10                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 11:54             ` Petr Mladek
2017-06-30 12:42               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-30 13:33                 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-06-30 14:28                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2017-06-30 14:45                     ` Steven Rostedt
2017-07-01  1:50                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-07-04 14:03                 ` Petr Mladek
2017-07-05  5:02                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-09  8:28 ` [RFC][PATCHv3 3/5] printk: add enforce_emergency parameter Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-09  8:28 ` [RFC][PATCHv3 4/5] printk: enable printk offloading Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-09  8:28 ` [RFC][PATCHv3 5/5] printk: register PM notifier Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-05-30  9:55   ` Petr Mladek
2017-05-31  6:42     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2017-06-27 14:45       ` Petr Mladek

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