From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
Arjan Van De Ven <arjan.van.de.ven@intel.com>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:04:57 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180110100457.GA29822@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d5e4c03ec290c61dfbe5a769f7287817283fa6b7.1515542293.git.tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 06:26:47PM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> Set IBRS upon kernel entrance via syscall and interrupts. Clear it
> upon exit. IBRS protects against unsafe indirect branching predictions
> in the kernel.
>
> The NMI interrupt save/restore of IBRS state was based on Andrea
> Arcangeli's implementation.
> Here's an explanation by Dave Hansen on why we save IBRS state for NMI.
>
> The normal interrupt code uses the 'error_entry' path which uses the
> Code Segment (CS) of the instruction that was interrupted to tell
> whether it interrupted the kernel or userspace and thus has to switch
> IBRS, or leave it alone.
>
> The NMI code is different. It uses 'paranoid_entry' because it can
> interrupt the kernel while it is running with a userspace IBRS (and %GS
> and CR3) value, but has a kernel CS. If we used the same approach as
> the normal interrupt code, we might do the following;
>
> SYSENTER_entry
> <-------------- NMI HERE
> IBRS=1
> do_something()
> IBRS=0
> SYSRET
>
> The NMI code might notice that we are running in the kernel and decide
> that it is OK to skip the IBRS=1. This would leave it running
> unprotected with IBRS=0, which is bad.
>
> However, if we unconditionally set IBRS=1, in the NMI, we might get the
> following case:
>
> SYSENTER_entry
> IBRS=1
> do_something()
> IBRS=0
> <-------------- NMI HERE (set IBRS=1)
> SYSRET
>
> and we would return to userspace with IBRS=1. Userspace would run
> slowly until we entered and exited the kernel again.
>
> Instead of those two approaches, we chose a third one where we simply
> save the IBRS value in a scratch register (%r13) and then restore that
> value, verbatim.
>
What this Changelog fails to address is _WHY_ we need this. What does
this provide that retpoline does not.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-10 10:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-10 2:26 [PATCH v3 0/5] IBRS patch series Tim Chen
2018-01-10 2:26 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] x86/feature: Detect the x86 IBRS feature to control Speculation Tim Chen
2018-01-10 2:26 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] x86/enter: Create macros to set/clear IBRS Tim Chen
2018-01-11 16:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-11 21:05 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-11 21:24 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10 2:26 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts Tim Chen
2018-01-10 10:04 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-01-10 11:27 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-10 18:16 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10 18:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-10 18:44 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10 18:47 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-11 12:45 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-10 2:26 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] x86/ibrs: Create boot option for IBRS Tim Chen
2018-01-10 2:26 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] x86/idle: Disable IBRS entering idle and enable it on wakeup Tim Chen
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