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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Arjan Van De Ven <arjan.van.de.ven@intel.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:04:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180110100457.GA29822@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d5e4c03ec290c61dfbe5a769f7287817283fa6b7.1515542293.git.tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>

On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 06:26:47PM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> Set IBRS upon kernel entrance via syscall and interrupts. Clear it
> upon exit.  IBRS protects against unsafe indirect branching predictions
> in the kernel.
> 
> The NMI interrupt save/restore of IBRS state was based on Andrea
> Arcangeli's implementation.
> Here's an explanation by Dave Hansen on why we save IBRS state for NMI.
> 
> The normal interrupt code uses the 'error_entry' path which uses the
> Code Segment (CS) of the instruction that was interrupted to tell
> whether it interrupted the kernel or userspace and thus has to switch
> IBRS, or leave it alone.
> 
> The NMI code is different.  It uses 'paranoid_entry' because it can
> interrupt the kernel while it is running with a userspace IBRS (and %GS
> and CR3) value, but has a kernel CS.  If we used the same approach as
> the normal interrupt code, we might do the following;
> 
> 	SYSENTER_entry
> <-------------- NMI HERE
> 	IBRS=1
> 		do_something()
> 	IBRS=0
> 	SYSRET
> 
> The NMI code might notice that we are running in the kernel and decide
> that it is OK to skip the IBRS=1.  This would leave it running
> unprotected with IBRS=0, which is bad.
> 
> However, if we unconditionally set IBRS=1, in the NMI, we might get the
> following case:
> 
> 	SYSENTER_entry
> 	IBRS=1
> 		do_something()
> 	IBRS=0
> <-------------- NMI HERE (set IBRS=1)
> 	SYSRET
> 
> and we would return to userspace with IBRS=1.  Userspace would run
> slowly until we entered and exited the kernel again.
> 
> Instead of those two approaches, we chose a third one where we simply
> save the IBRS value in a scratch register (%r13) and then restore that
> value, verbatim.
> 

What this Changelog fails to address is _WHY_ we need this. What does
this provide that retpoline does not.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-10 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-10  2:26 [PATCH v3 0/5] IBRS patch series Tim Chen
2018-01-10  2:26 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] x86/feature: Detect the x86 IBRS feature to control Speculation Tim Chen
2018-01-10  2:26 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] x86/enter: Create macros to set/clear IBRS Tim Chen
2018-01-11 16:04   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-11 21:05     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-11 21:24       ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10  2:26 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts Tim Chen
2018-01-10 10:04   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-01-10 11:27     ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-10 18:16     ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10 18:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-10 18:44         ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10 18:47         ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-11 12:45   ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-10  2:26 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] x86/ibrs: Create boot option for IBRS Tim Chen
2018-01-10  2:26 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] x86/idle: Disable IBRS entering idle and enable it on wakeup Tim Chen

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