From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
Arjan Van De Ven <arjan.van.de.ven@intel.com>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:27:09 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9e8f46f6-35a7-e38d-0197-fb86b40fde1a@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180110100457.GA29822@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 10/01/2018 11:04, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 06:26:47PM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
>> Set IBRS upon kernel entrance via syscall and interrupts. Clear it
>> upon exit. IBRS protects against unsafe indirect branching predictions
>> in the kernel.
>>
>> The NMI interrupt save/restore of IBRS state was based on Andrea
>> Arcangeli's implementation.
>> Here's an explanation by Dave Hansen on why we save IBRS state for NMI.
>>
>> The normal interrupt code uses the 'error_entry' path which uses the
>> Code Segment (CS) of the instruction that was interrupted to tell
>> whether it interrupted the kernel or userspace and thus has to switch
>> IBRS, or leave it alone.
>>
>> The NMI code is different. It uses 'paranoid_entry' because it can
>> interrupt the kernel while it is running with a userspace IBRS (and %GS
>> and CR3) value, but has a kernel CS. If we used the same approach as
>> the normal interrupt code, we might do the following;
>>
>> SYSENTER_entry
>> <-------------- NMI HERE
>> IBRS=1
>> do_something()
>> IBRS=0
>> SYSRET
>>
>> The NMI code might notice that we are running in the kernel and decide
>> that it is OK to skip the IBRS=1. This would leave it running
>> unprotected with IBRS=0, which is bad.
>>
>> However, if we unconditionally set IBRS=1, in the NMI, we might get the
>> following case:
>>
>> SYSENTER_entry
>> IBRS=1
>> do_something()
>> IBRS=0
>> <-------------- NMI HERE (set IBRS=1)
>> SYSRET
>>
>> and we would return to userspace with IBRS=1. Userspace would run
>> slowly until we entered and exited the kernel again.
>>
>> Instead of those two approaches, we chose a third one where we simply
>> save the IBRS value in a scratch register (%r13) and then restore that
>> value, verbatim.
>>
>
> What this Changelog fails to address is _WHY_ we need this. What does
> this provide that retpoline does not.
Which, for the record, is just that it works better on Skylake+ CPUs.
Paolo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-10 11:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-10 2:26 [PATCH v3 0/5] IBRS patch series Tim Chen
2018-01-10 2:26 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] x86/feature: Detect the x86 IBRS feature to control Speculation Tim Chen
2018-01-10 2:26 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] x86/enter: Create macros to set/clear IBRS Tim Chen
2018-01-11 16:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-11 21:05 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-11 21:24 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10 2:26 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] x86/enter: Use IBRS on syscall and interrupts Tim Chen
2018-01-10 10:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-10 11:27 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2018-01-10 18:16 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10 18:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-10 18:44 ` Tim Chen
2018-01-10 18:47 ` Van De Ven, Arjan
2018-01-11 12:45 ` Woodhouse, David
2018-01-10 2:26 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] x86/ibrs: Create boot option for IBRS Tim Chen
2018-01-10 2:26 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] x86/idle: Disable IBRS entering idle and enable it on wakeup Tim Chen
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