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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: Vineeth Pillai <viremana@linux.microsoft.com>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org,
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	Vineeth Remanan Pillai <vpillai@digitalocean.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v7 08/23] sched: Add core wide task selection and scheduling.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:30:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200901173052.GA1703315@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a41dac6f-6864-c215-0f7a-90f2126673a6@linux.microsoft.com>

Hi Vineeth,

On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 08:34:23AM -0400, Vineeth Pillai wrote:
> Hi Joel,
> 
> On 9/1/20 1:10 AM, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > 3. The 'Rescheduling siblings' loop of pick_next_task() is quite fragile. It
> > calls various functions on rq->core_pick which could very well be NULL because:
> > An online sibling might have gone offline before a task could be picked for it,
> > or it might be offline but later happen to come online, but its too late and
> > nothing was picked for it. Just ignore the siblings for which nothing could be
> > picked. This avoids any crashes that may occur in this loop that assume
> > rq->core_pick is not NULL.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Joel Fernandes (Google) <joel@joelfernandes.org>
> I like this idea, its much simpler :-)

Thanks.

> > ---
> >   kernel/sched/core.c | 24 +++++++++++++++++++++---
> >   1 file changed, 21 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/kernel/sched/core.c b/kernel/sched/core.c
> > index 717122a3dca1..4966e9f14f39 100644
> > --- a/kernel/sched/core.c
> > +++ b/kernel/sched/core.c
> > @@ -4610,13 +4610,24 @@ pick_next_task(struct rq *rq, struct task_struct *prev, struct rq_flags *rf)
> >   	if (!sched_core_enabled(rq))
> >   		return __pick_next_task(rq, prev, rf);
> > +	cpu = cpu_of(rq);
> > +
> > +	/* Stopper task is switching into idle, no need core-wide selection. */
>
> I think we can come here when hotplug thread is scheduled during online, but
> mask is not yet updated. Probably can add it with this comment as well.
> 

I don't see how that is possible. Because the cpuhp threads run during the
CPU onlining process, the boot thread for the CPU coming online would have
already updated the mask.

> > +	if (cpu_is_offline(cpu))
> > +		return __pick_next_task(rq, prev, rf);
> > +
> We would need reset core_pick here I think. Something like
>     if (cpu_is_offline(cpu)) {
>         rq->core_pick = NULL;
>         return __pick_next_task(rq, prev, rf);
>     }
> 
> Without this we can end up in a crash like this:
> 1. Sibling of this cpu picks a task (rq_i->core_pick) and this cpu goes
>     offline soon after.
> 2. Before this cpu comes online, sibling goes through another pick loop
>     and before its IPI loop, this cpu comes online and we get an IPI.
> 3. So when this cpu gets into schedule, we have core_pick set and
>     core_pick_seq != core_sched_seq. So we enter the fast path. But
>     core_pick might no longer in this runqueue.
> 
> So, to protect this, we should reset core_pick I think. I have seen this
> crash
> occasionally.

Ok, done.

> >   	/*
> >   	 * If there were no {en,de}queues since we picked (IOW, the task
> >   	 * pointers are all still valid), and we haven't scheduled the last
> >   	 * pick yet, do so now.
> > +	 *
> > +	 * rq->core_pick can be NULL if no selection was made for a CPU because
> > +	 * it was either offline or went offline during a sibling's core-wide
> > +	 * selection. In this case, do a core-wide selection.
> >   	 */
> >   	if (rq->core->core_pick_seq == rq->core->core_task_seq &&
> > -	    rq->core->core_pick_seq != rq->core_sched_seq) {
> > +	    rq->core->core_pick_seq != rq->core_sched_seq &&
> > +	    !rq->core_pick) {
> Should this check be reversed? I mean, we should enter the fastpath if
> we have rq->core_pick is set right?

Done. Sorry my testing did not catch it, but it eventually caused a problem
after several hours of the stress test so I'd have eventually caught it.

> Another unrelated, but related note :-)
> Besides this, I think we need to retain on more change from the previous
> patch. We would need to make core_pick_seq per sibling instead of per
> core. Having it per core might lead to unfairness. For eg: When a cpu
> sees that its sibling's core_pick is the one which is already running, it
> will not send IPI. but core_pick remains set and core->core_pick_seq is
> incremented. Now if the sibling is preempted due to a high priority task

Then don't keep the core_pick set then. If you don't send it IPI and if
core_pick is already running, then NULL it already. I don't know why we add
to more corner cases by making assumptions. We have enough open issues that
are not hotplug related. Here's my suggestion :

1.  Keep the ideas consistent, forget about the exact code currently written
and just understand the pick_seq is for siblings knowing that something was
picked for the whole core.  So if their pick_seq != sched_seq, then they have
to pick what was selected.

2. If core_pick should be NULL, then NULL it in some path. If you keep some
core_pick and you increment pick_seq, then you are automatically asking the
sibling to pick that task up then next time it enters schedule(). See if [1]
will work?

Note that, we have added logic in this patch that does a full selection if
rq->core_pick == NULL.

> or its time slice expired, it enters schedule. But it goes to fast path and
> selects the running task there by starving the high priority task. Having
> the core_pick_seq per sibling will avoid this. It might also help in some
> hotplug corner cases as well.

That can be a separate patch IMHO. It has nothing to do with
stability/crashing of concurrent and rather infrequent CPU hotplug
operations.

Also, Peter said pick_seq is for core-wide picking. If you want to add
another semantic, then maybe add another counter which has a separate
meaning and justify why you are adding it.

thanks,

 - Joel

[1]
---8<-----------------------

diff --git a/kernel/sched/core.c b/kernel/sched/core.c
index 7728ca7f6bb2..7a03b609e3b7 100644
--- a/kernel/sched/core.c
+++ b/kernel/sched/core.c
@@ -4793,6 +4793,8 @@ next_class:;
 
 		if (rq_i->curr != rq_i->core_pick)
 			resched_curr(rq_i);
+		else
+			rq_i->core_pick = NULL;
 
 		/* Did we break L1TF mitigation requirements? */
 		WARN_ON_ONCE(!cookie_match(next, rq_i->core_pick));

  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-01 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-28 19:51 [RFC PATCH v7 00/23] Core scheduling v7 Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 01/23] sched: Wrap rq::lock access Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 02/23] sched: Introduce sched_class::pick_task() Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 03/23] sched: Core-wide rq->lock Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 04/23] sched/fair: Add a few assertions Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 05/23] sched: Basic tracking of matching tasks Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 06/23] bitops: Introduce find_next_or_bit Julien Desfossez
2020-09-03  5:13   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 07/23] cpumask: Introduce a new iterator for_each_cpu_wrap_or Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 08/23] sched: Add core wide task selection and scheduling Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 20:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-28 22:02     ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-08-28 22:23       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-08-29  7:47       ` peterz
2020-08-31 13:01         ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-08-31 14:24         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-01  3:38         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-01  5:10         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-01 12:34           ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-09-01 17:30             ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2020-09-01 21:23               ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-09-02  1:11                 ` Joel Fernandes
2020-08-28 20:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-28 22:15     ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-09-15 20:08   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 09/23] sched/fair: Fix forced idle sibling starvation corner case Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 21:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-08-28 23:24     ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 10/23] sched/fair: wrapper for cfs_rq->min_vruntime Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 11/23] sched/fair: core wide cfs task priority comparison Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 21:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-09-17 14:15     ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-09-17 20:39       ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-09-23  1:46     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-23  1:52       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-25 15:02         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-15 21:49   ` chris hyser
     [not found]     ` <81b208ad-b9e6-bfbf-631e-02e9f75d73a2@linux.intel.com>
2020-09-16 14:24       ` chris hyser
2020-09-16 20:53         ` chris hyser
2020-09-17  1:09           ` Li, Aubrey
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 12/23] sched: Trivial forced-newidle balancer Julien Desfossez
2020-09-02  7:08   ` Pavan Kondeti
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 13/23] sched: migration changes for core scheduling Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 14/23] irq_work: Add support to detect if work is pending Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 15/23] entry/idle: Add a common function for activites during idle entry/exit Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 16/23] arch/x86: Add a new TIF flag for untrusted tasks Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 17/23] kernel/entry: Add support for core-wide protection of kernel-mode Julien Desfossez
2020-09-01 15:54   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-01 16:50     ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-01 20:02       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-02  1:29         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-02  7:53           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-02 15:12             ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-02 16:57             ` Dario Faggioli
2020-09-03  4:34               ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-03 11:05                 ` Vineeth Pillai
2020-09-03 13:20                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-03 20:30                   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-09-03 13:43                 ` Dario Faggioli
2020-09-03 20:25                   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 18/23] entry/idle: Enter and exit kernel protection during idle entry and exit Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 19/23] entry/kvm: Protect the kernel when entering from guest Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 20/23] sched/coresched: config option for kernel protection Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 21/23] sched: cgroup tagging interface for core scheduling Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 22/23] Documentation: Add documentation on " Julien Desfossez
2020-08-28 19:51 ` [RFC PATCH v7 23/23] sched: Debug bits Julien Desfossez

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