From: Lukas Straub <lukasstraub2@web.de>
To: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
Cc: "Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
"Guilherme G. Piccoli" <gpiccoli@igalia.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/split_lock: Restore warn mode (and add a new one) to avoid userspace regression
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 16:13:15 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221030160300.3a3e72c7@gecko.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ1PR11MB60839A08E01742321F8446BCFC579@SJ1PR11MB6083.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:37:55 +0000
"Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com> wrote:
> >> I have a revert removing the misery ready and tested, let me know if I
> >> should submit it.
> >
> > I'm a bit of a late arrival to the split lock party, so I'm a bit
> > hesitant to merge any changes immediately.
> >
> > How about we give it a few weeks and see if the current behavior impacts
> > anyone else? Maybe the best route will be more clear then.
>
> Applying "misery" to the processes that are executing split-lock flows saves
> the rest of the system from a different level of misery (for the duration of the
> split lock other logical CPUs and I/O devices have access to memory blocked).
>
> So the "misery" serves a very useful purpose on multi-user systems.
Hello Everyone,
How about the following: The kernel traps the split-lock, but instead
of punishing the process artificially it emulates it in a different way
that won't harm the system as a whole. Of course this still will be
slower than a non-split-lock but surely won't take 10ms.
For example, you could emulate the instruction without atomic semantics,
but protected under a single global mutex for all split-lock operations
instead. This is how atomics are done on on alpha AFAIK, which doesn't
have atomic instructions.
This is not as simple as the current solution. But I see the current
solution more like a quick and dirty workaround for this security/DoS
issue, until a proper solution (like my proposal) is implemented.
Regards,
Lukas Straub
> Maybe the decision of which mode to use could be dynamic based on
> number of online CPUs? Laptops/desktops with low counts (<50???)
> could just "warn", while servers could default to the "seq" mode.
>
> Or perhaps there is some other heuristic to distinguish single-user
> systems where the split-locks are not causing pain to other users?
>
> -Tony
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-30 16:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-28 14:21 Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-09-28 20:24 ` Luck, Tony
2022-09-28 20:50 ` Joshua Ashton
2022-09-28 20:56 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-10-06 20:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-10-06 20:58 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-10-06 9:04 ` Pavel Machek
2022-10-06 15:07 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-09-28 21:50 ` Dave Hansen
2022-09-29 14:57 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-09-29 15:17 ` Dave Hansen
2022-09-29 15:30 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-09-29 16:26 ` Dave Hansen
2022-09-29 17:15 ` Guilherme G. Piccoli
2022-09-29 17:23 ` Paul Gofman
2022-09-29 15:37 ` Luck, Tony
2022-10-30 16:13 ` Lukas Straub [this message]
2022-09-29 17:17 ` Zebediah Figura
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