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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>
Cc: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>,
	Tommaso Cucinotta <tommaso.cucinotta@santannapisa.it>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Vineeth Pillai <vineeth@bitbyteword.org>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>, David Vernet <void@manifault.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 6/7] sched/deadline: Deferrable dl server
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:11:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240408131118.7bbca82f@rorschach.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b5e0dbb8-3aab-4316-85bb-6b7ac3134e07@redhat.com>

On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:35:49 +0200
Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> wrote:

> A reproducer always helps. So, your task there is not a periodic task... it is
> a sporadic task because it sleeps for a fixed amount of time after the runtime.
> 
> A periodic task with period 76 would wake at 0, 76, 152 - like cyclictest...
> so consuming at a fixed time rate if the scheduler allows it.
> 
> In the case of a fixed sleep time at the end of the execution, it will end up
> "throwing away bandwidth" if the runtime is not given at the beginning of the
> period because it will run slower... accumulating error. But that was not the
> main point here...
> 
> The problem here was more like: if a fair task goes to sleep in the middle of
> the server activation (for a lock?), and then wakes up again, the code in v5 is
> forcing it to defer... again. Thus, it is getting less bandwidth... notice that
> it does not even need to be at the start of the period. It is the middle of the
> execution.
> 
> Intuitively, reducing the deferred time would help there. But the best thing to do is:
> 
> If the fair task waited for the defer, and the real-time tasks are still using all
> CPU time, do not defer the activation again, and keep the defer mechanism disabled
> until the real-time tasks allow the fair scheduler to run in the background. So,
> making the defer mode equivalent to the non-defer mode until the RT tasks start
> to behave again.
> 
> For that, in the v6, there is a variable (dl_defer_running), once the dl_server
> is enqueued after the defer time, the variable dl_defer_running is set.
> 
> If the fair task sleeps in the middle of the period, that variable do not change.
> 
> If the fair task wakes up and the dl_defer_running is still set, do not defer.
> Keep running until you consume the reservation.
> 
> The variable dl_defer_running is set to 0 only after the fair tasks consume
> its runtime without being in a dl_server... IOW, when the RT tasks start to
> behave.

Very nice explanation! Thanks Daniel.

> 
> No interface change.
> 
> With that in place, your reproducers are working. I have a periodic version
> of your reproducer, also improving how the task consumes the runtime,.. I
> will send it to you so you can have a look.

Looking forward to reviewing your patches when I'm back from PTO.

-- Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-08 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-04 10:59 [PATCH v5 0/7] SCHED_DEADLINE server infrastructure Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 1/7] sched: Unify runtime accounting across classes Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15  9:04   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 2/7] sched/deadline: Collect sched_dl_entity initialization Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15  9:04   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 3/7] sched/deadline: Move bandwidth accounting into {en,de}queue_dl_entity Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15  9:04   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 4/7] sched/deadline: Introduce deadline servers Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15  9:04   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 5/7] sched/fair: Add trivial fair server Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-06 14:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-06 14:26     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 6/7] sched/deadline: Deferrable dl server Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-06 14:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-06 17:05     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-06 19:32   ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-06 21:32     ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-06 21:37       ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-07 11:58         ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08  2:42           ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-07 16:47         ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:35           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:46             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:54             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 19:32               ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 20:07                 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:37           ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 18:50             ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08  3:20               ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-08  8:01                 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 18:25                   ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-08 12:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-08 12:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-08 14:52                   ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 13:46                 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 13:58                 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 15:14                 ` Juri Lelli
2023-11-08 16:57                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-08  2:37           ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-07  7:30     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 16:37   ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-13 15:05   ` kernel test robot
2024-03-20  0:03   ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-20 19:24     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-03-21 16:15       ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-23 14:37         ` Joel Fernandes
2024-04-05 14:35         ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-04-08 17:11           ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 7/7] sched/fair: Fair server interface Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-04 15:18   ` kernel test robot
2023-11-05  0:55   ` kernel test robot
2023-11-06 15:40   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-06 16:29     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07  8:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-07 14:06         ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 14:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-07 12:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-07 13:24     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-01-19  1:49   ` Joel Fernandes
2024-01-19  1:55   ` Joel Fernandes
2024-01-22 14:14     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-01-23 15:39       ` Joel Fernandes
2024-01-23 15:44       ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-13  2:13   ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-13  2:21     ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-14 14:23     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-15 13:57       ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-15 17:27         ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-15 17:41           ` Joel Fernandes
2024-04-04 17:43             ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-12-08 21:47 ` [PATCH v5 0/7] SCHED_DEADLINE server infrastructure Joel Fernandes
2024-02-19  7:33 ` Huang, Ying
2024-02-19 10:23   ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-20  3:28     ` Huang, Ying
2024-02-20  8:31       ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-20  8:41         ` Huang, Ying

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