From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>
Cc: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>,
Tommaso Cucinotta <tommaso.cucinotta@santannapisa.it>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Vineeth Pillai <vineeth@bitbyteword.org>,
Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>, David Vernet <void@manifault.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 6/7] sched/deadline: Deferrable dl server
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 13:11:18 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240408131118.7bbca82f@rorschach.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b5e0dbb8-3aab-4316-85bb-6b7ac3134e07@redhat.com>
On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:35:49 +0200
Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> wrote:
> A reproducer always helps. So, your task there is not a periodic task... it is
> a sporadic task because it sleeps for a fixed amount of time after the runtime.
>
> A periodic task with period 76 would wake at 0, 76, 152 - like cyclictest...
> so consuming at a fixed time rate if the scheduler allows it.
>
> In the case of a fixed sleep time at the end of the execution, it will end up
> "throwing away bandwidth" if the runtime is not given at the beginning of the
> period because it will run slower... accumulating error. But that was not the
> main point here...
>
> The problem here was more like: if a fair task goes to sleep in the middle of
> the server activation (for a lock?), and then wakes up again, the code in v5 is
> forcing it to defer... again. Thus, it is getting less bandwidth... notice that
> it does not even need to be at the start of the period. It is the middle of the
> execution.
>
> Intuitively, reducing the deferred time would help there. But the best thing to do is:
>
> If the fair task waited for the defer, and the real-time tasks are still using all
> CPU time, do not defer the activation again, and keep the defer mechanism disabled
> until the real-time tasks allow the fair scheduler to run in the background. So,
> making the defer mode equivalent to the non-defer mode until the RT tasks start
> to behave again.
>
> For that, in the v6, there is a variable (dl_defer_running), once the dl_server
> is enqueued after the defer time, the variable dl_defer_running is set.
>
> If the fair task sleeps in the middle of the period, that variable do not change.
>
> If the fair task wakes up and the dl_defer_running is still set, do not defer.
> Keep running until you consume the reservation.
>
> The variable dl_defer_running is set to 0 only after the fair tasks consume
> its runtime without being in a dl_server... IOW, when the RT tasks start to
> behave.
Very nice explanation! Thanks Daniel.
>
> No interface change.
>
> With that in place, your reproducers are working. I have a periodic version
> of your reproducer, also improving how the task consumes the runtime,.. I
> will send it to you so you can have a look.
Looking forward to reviewing your patches when I'm back from PTO.
-- Steve
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-04-08 17:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-04 10:59 [PATCH v5 0/7] SCHED_DEADLINE server infrastructure Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 1/7] sched: Unify runtime accounting across classes Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15 9:04 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 2/7] sched/deadline: Collect sched_dl_entity initialization Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15 9:04 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 3/7] sched/deadline: Move bandwidth accounting into {en,de}queue_dl_entity Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15 9:04 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 4/7] sched/deadline: Introduce deadline servers Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15 9:04 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 5/7] sched/fair: Add trivial fair server Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-06 14:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-06 14:26 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 6/7] sched/deadline: Deferrable dl server Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-06 14:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-06 17:05 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-06 19:32 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-06 21:32 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-06 21:37 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-07 11:58 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 2:42 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-07 16:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 19:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 20:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:37 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 18:50 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 3:20 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-08 8:01 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 18:25 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-08 12:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-08 12:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-08 14:52 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 13:46 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 13:58 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 15:14 ` Juri Lelli
2023-11-08 16:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-08 2:37 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-07 7:30 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 16:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-13 15:05 ` kernel test robot
2024-03-20 0:03 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-20 19:24 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-03-21 16:15 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-23 14:37 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-04-05 14:35 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-04-08 17:11 ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 7/7] sched/fair: Fair server interface Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-04 15:18 ` kernel test robot
2023-11-05 0:55 ` kernel test robot
2023-11-06 15:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-06 16:29 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 8:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-07 14:06 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 14:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-07 12:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-07 13:24 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-01-19 1:49 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-01-19 1:55 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-01-22 14:14 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-01-23 15:39 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-01-23 15:44 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-13 2:13 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-13 2:21 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-14 14:23 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-15 13:57 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-15 17:27 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-15 17:41 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-04-04 17:43 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-12-08 21:47 ` [PATCH v5 0/7] SCHED_DEADLINE server infrastructure Joel Fernandes
2024-02-19 7:33 ` Huang, Ying
2024-02-19 10:23 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-20 3:28 ` Huang, Ying
2024-02-20 8:31 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-20 8:41 ` Huang, Ying
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