From: Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@kernel.org>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>,
Tommaso Cucinotta <tommaso.cucinotta@santannapisa.it>,
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Vineeth Pillai <vineeth@bitbyteword.org>,
Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 6/7] sched/deadline: Deferrable dl server
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 12:58:48 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d6811957-1cb7-489d-a3da-f38622d7f515@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEXW_YSjsZSrJK_RbGmbLNy4UrLCgu+7NPZjg-wiLuNbGOGr+w@mail.gmail.com>
On 11/6/23 22:37, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 4:32 PM Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 2:32 PM Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 6:59 AM Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
>>> <bristot@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Among the motivations for the DL servers is the real-time throttling
>>>> mechanism. This mechanism works by throttling the rt_rq after
>>>> running for a long period without leaving space for fair tasks.
>>>>
>>>> The base dl server avoids this problem by boosting fair tasks instead
>>>> of throttling the rt_rq. The point is that it boosts without waiting
>>>> for potential starvation, causing some non-intuitive cases.
>>>>
>>>> For example, an IRQ dispatches two tasks on an idle system, a fair
>>>> and an RT. The DL server will be activated, running the fair task
>>>> before the RT one. This problem can be avoided by deferring the
>>>> dl server activation.
>>>>
>>>> By setting the zerolax option, the dl_server will dispatch an
>>>> SCHED_DEADLINE reservation with replenished runtime, but throttled.
>>>>
>>>> The dl_timer will be set for (period - runtime) ns from start time.
>>>> Thus boosting the fair rq on its 0-laxity time with respect to
>>>> rt_rq.
>>>>
>>>> If the fair scheduler has the opportunity to run while waiting
>>>> for zerolax time, the dl server runtime will be consumed. If
>>>> the runtime is completely consumed before the zerolax time, the
>>>> server will be replenished while still in a throttled state. Then,
>>>> the dl_timer will be reset to the new zerolax time
>>>>
>>>> If the fair server reaches the zerolax time without consuming
>>>> its runtime, the server will be boosted, following CBS rules
>>>> (thus without breaking SCHED_DEADLINE).
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@kernel.org>
>>>> ---
>>>> include/linux/sched.h | 2 +
>>>> kernel/sched/deadline.c | 100 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>>>> kernel/sched/fair.c | 3 ++
>>>> 3 files changed, 103 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/include/linux/sched.h b/include/linux/sched.h
>>>> index 5ac1f252e136..56e53e6fd5a0 100644
>>>> --- a/include/linux/sched.h
>>>> +++ b/include/linux/sched.h
>>>> @@ -660,6 +660,8 @@ struct sched_dl_entity {
>>>> unsigned int dl_non_contending : 1;
>>>> unsigned int dl_overrun : 1;
>>>> unsigned int dl_server : 1;
>>>> + unsigned int dl_zerolax : 1;
>>>> + unsigned int dl_zerolax_armed : 1;
>>>>
>>>> /*
>>>> * Bandwidth enforcement timer. Each -deadline task has its
>>>> diff --git a/kernel/sched/deadline.c b/kernel/sched/deadline.c
>>>> index 1d7b96ca9011..69ee1fbd60e4 100644
>>>> --- a/kernel/sched/deadline.c
>>>> +++ b/kernel/sched/deadline.c
>>>> @@ -772,6 +772,14 @@ static inline void replenish_dl_new_period(struct sched_dl_entity *dl_se,
>>>> /* for non-boosted task, pi_of(dl_se) == dl_se */
>>>> dl_se->deadline = rq_clock(rq) + pi_of(dl_se)->dl_deadline;
>>>> dl_se->runtime = pi_of(dl_se)->dl_runtime;
>>>> +
>>>> + /*
>>>> + * If it is a zerolax reservation, throttle it.
>>>> + */
>>>> + if (dl_se->dl_zerolax) {
>>>> + dl_se->dl_throttled = 1;
>>>> + dl_se->dl_zerolax_armed = 1;
>>>> + }
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> /*
>>>> @@ -828,6 +836,7 @@ static inline void setup_new_dl_entity(struct sched_dl_entity *dl_se)
>>>> * could happen are, typically, a entity voluntarily trying to overcome its
>>>> * runtime, or it just underestimated it during sched_setattr().
>>>> */
>>>> +static int start_dl_timer(struct sched_dl_entity *dl_se);
>>>> static void replenish_dl_entity(struct sched_dl_entity *dl_se)
>>>> {
>>>> struct dl_rq *dl_rq = dl_rq_of_se(dl_se);
>>>> @@ -874,6 +883,28 @@ static void replenish_dl_entity(struct sched_dl_entity *dl_se)
>>>> dl_se->dl_yielded = 0;
>>>> if (dl_se->dl_throttled)
>>>> dl_se->dl_throttled = 0;
>>>> +
>>>> + /*
>>>> + * If this is the replenishment of a zerolax reservation,
>>>> + * clear the flag and return.
>>>> + */
>>>> + if (dl_se->dl_zerolax_armed) {
>>>> + dl_se->dl_zerolax_armed = 0;
>>>> + return;
>>>> + }
>>>> +
>>>> + /*
>>>> + * A this point, if the zerolax server is not armed, and the deadline
>>>> + * is in the future, throttle the server and arm the zerolax timer.
>>>> + */
>>>> + if (dl_se->dl_zerolax &&
>>>> + dl_time_before(dl_se->deadline - dl_se->runtime, rq_clock(rq))) {
>>>> + if (!is_dl_boosted(dl_se)) {
>>>> + dl_se->dl_zerolax_armed = 1;
>>>> + dl_se->dl_throttled = 1;
>>>> + start_dl_timer(dl_se);
>>>> + }
>>>> + }
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> /*
>>>> @@ -1024,6 +1055,13 @@ static void update_dl_entity(struct sched_dl_entity *dl_se)
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> replenish_dl_new_period(dl_se, rq);
>>>> + } else if (dl_server(dl_se) && dl_se->dl_zerolax) {
>>>> + /*
>>>> + * The server can still use its previous deadline, so throttle
>>>> + * and arm the zero-laxity timer.
>>>> + */
>>>> + dl_se->dl_zerolax_armed = 1;
>>>> + dl_se->dl_throttled = 1;
>>>> }
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> @@ -1056,8 +1094,20 @@ static int start_dl_timer(struct sched_dl_entity *dl_se)
>>>> * We want the timer to fire at the deadline, but considering
>>>> * that it is actually coming from rq->clock and not from
>>>> * hrtimer's time base reading.
>>>> + *
>>>> + * The zerolax reservation will have its timer set to the
>>>> + * deadline - runtime. At that point, the CBS rule will decide
>>>> + * if the current deadline can be used, or if a replenishment
>>>> + * is required to avoid add too much pressure on the system
>>>> + * (current u > U).
>>>> */
>>>> - act = ns_to_ktime(dl_next_period(dl_se));
>>>> + if (dl_se->dl_zerolax_armed) {
>>>> + WARN_ON_ONCE(!dl_se->dl_throttled);
>>>> + act = ns_to_ktime(dl_se->deadline - dl_se->runtime);
>>>
>>> Just a question, here if dl_se->deadline - dl_se->runtime is large,
>>> then does that mean that server activation will be much more into the
>>> future? So say I want to give CFS 30%, then it will take 70% of the
>>> period before CFS preempts RT thus "starving" CFS for this duration. I
>>> think that's Ok for smaller periods and runtimes, though.
>>>
>>> I think it does reserve the amount of required CFS bandwidth so it is
>>> probably OK, though it is perhaps letting RT run more initially (say
>>> if CFS tasks are not CPU bound and occasionally wake up, they will
>>> always be hit by the 70% latency AFAICS which may be large for large
>>> periods and small runtimes).
>>>
>>
>> One more consideration I guess is, because the server is throttled
>> till 0-laxity time, it is possible that if CFS sleeps even a bit
>> (after the DL-server is unthrottled), then it will be pushed out to a
>> full current deadline + period due to CBS. In such a situation, if
>> CFS-server is the only DL task running, it might starve RT for a bit
>> more time.
>>
>> Example, say CFS runtime is 0.3s and period is 1s. At 0.7s, 0-laxity
>> timer fires. CFS runs for 0.29s, then sleeps for 0.005s and wakes up
>> at 0.295s (its remaining runtime is 0.01s at this point which is < the
>> "time till deadline" of 0.005s). Now the runtime of the CFS-server
>> will be replenished to the full 3s (due to CBS) and the deadline
>> pushed out. The end result is the total runtime that the CFS-server
>> actually gets is 0.0595s (though yes it did sleep for 5ms in between,
>> still that's tiny -- say if it briefly blocked on a kernel mutex).
>
> Blah, I got lost in decimal points. Here's the example again:
>
> Say CFS-server runtime is 0.3s and period is 1s.
>
> At 0.7s, 0-laxity timer fires. CFS runs for 0.29s, then sleeps for
> 0.005s and wakes up at 0.295s (its remaining runtime is 0.01s at this
> point which is < the "time till deadline" of 0.005s)
>
> Now the runtime of the CFS-server will be replenished to the full 0.3s
> (due to CBS) and the deadline
> pushed out.
>
> The end result is, the total runtime that the CFS-server actually gets
> is 0.595s (though yes it did sleep for 5ms in between, still that's
> tiny -- say if it briefly blocked on a kernel mutex). That's almost
> double the allocated runtime.
I think I got what you mean, and I think I took for granted that we were
doing overload control on the replenishment, but it seems that we are not..
I just got back from a doct appt, I will do a proper reply later today.
Thanks Joel!
-- Daniel
> This is just theoretical and I have yet to see if it is actually an
> issue in practice.
>
> Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-07 11:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-04 10:59 [PATCH v5 0/7] SCHED_DEADLINE server infrastructure Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 1/7] sched: Unify runtime accounting across classes Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15 9:04 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 2/7] sched/deadline: Collect sched_dl_entity initialization Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15 9:04 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 3/7] sched/deadline: Move bandwidth accounting into {en,de}queue_dl_entity Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15 9:04 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 4/7] sched/deadline: Introduce deadline servers Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-15 9:04 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 5/7] sched/fair: Add trivial fair server Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-06 14:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-06 14:26 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 6/7] sched/deadline: Deferrable dl server Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-06 14:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-06 17:05 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-06 19:32 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-06 21:32 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-06 21:37 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-07 11:58 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira [this message]
2023-11-08 2:42 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-07 16:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 19:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 20:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-07 17:37 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 18:50 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 3:20 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-08 8:01 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 18:25 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-08 12:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-08 12:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-08 14:52 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 13:46 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 13:58 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-08 15:14 ` Juri Lelli
2023-11-08 16:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-08 2:37 ` Joel Fernandes
2023-11-07 7:30 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 16:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-13 15:05 ` kernel test robot
2024-03-20 0:03 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-20 19:24 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-03-21 16:15 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-03-23 14:37 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-04-05 14:35 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-04-08 17:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-11-04 10:59 ` [PATCH v5 7/7] sched/fair: Fair server interface Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-04 15:18 ` kernel test robot
2023-11-05 0:55 ` kernel test robot
2023-11-06 15:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-06 16:29 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 8:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-07 14:06 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-11-07 14:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-07 12:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-07 13:24 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-01-19 1:49 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-01-19 1:55 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-01-22 14:14 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-01-23 15:39 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-01-23 15:44 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-13 2:13 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-13 2:21 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-14 14:23 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-15 13:57 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-02-15 17:27 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-15 17:41 ` Joel Fernandes
2024-04-04 17:43 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-12-08 21:47 ` [PATCH v5 0/7] SCHED_DEADLINE server infrastructure Joel Fernandes
2024-02-19 7:33 ` Huang, Ying
2024-02-19 10:23 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-20 3:28 ` Huang, Ying
2024-02-20 8:31 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2024-02-20 8:41 ` Huang, Ying
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