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From: Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>
To: Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>
Cc: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Chuyi Zhou <zhouchuyi@bytedance.com>, Xi Wang <xii@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/7] sched/fair: Handle throttle path for task based throttle
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 21:43:23 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250319134257.GA1428417@bytedance> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABk29Nuuq6s1+FBftOPAcMkYU+F1n2nebcP5tDK9dH4_KXA2cw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Josh,

On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 08:25:53PM -0700, Josh Don wrote:
> Hi Aaron,
> 
> >  static int tg_throttle_down(struct task_group *tg, void *data)
> >  {
> >         struct rq *rq = data;
> >         struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq = tg->cfs_rq[cpu_of(rq)];
> > +       struct task_struct *p;
> > +       struct rb_node *node;
> > +
> > +       cfs_rq->throttle_count++;
> > +       if (cfs_rq->throttle_count > 1)
> > +               return 0;
> >
> >         /* group is entering throttled state, stop time */
> > -       if (!cfs_rq->throttle_count) {
> > -               cfs_rq->throttled_clock_pelt = rq_clock_pelt(rq);
> > -               list_del_leaf_cfs_rq(cfs_rq);
> > +       cfs_rq->throttled_clock_pelt = rq_clock_pelt(rq);
> > +       list_del_leaf_cfs_rq(cfs_rq);
> >
> > -               SCHED_WARN_ON(cfs_rq->throttled_clock_self);
> > -               if (cfs_rq->nr_queued)
> > -                       cfs_rq->throttled_clock_self = rq_clock(rq);
> > +       SCHED_WARN_ON(cfs_rq->throttled_clock_self);
> > +       if (cfs_rq->nr_queued)
> > +               cfs_rq->throttled_clock_self = rq_clock(rq);
> > +
> > +       WARN_ON_ONCE(!list_empty(&cfs_rq->throttled_limbo_list));
> > +       /*
> > +        * rq_lock is held, current is (obviously) executing this in kernelspace.
> > +        *
> > +        * All other tasks enqueued on this rq have their saved PC at the
> > +        * context switch, so they will go through the kernel before returning
> > +        * to userspace. Thus, there are no tasks-in-userspace to handle, just
> > +        * install the task_work on all of them.
> > +        */
> > +       node = rb_first(&cfs_rq->tasks_timeline.rb_root);
> > +       while (node) {
> > +               struct sched_entity *se = __node_2_se(node);
> > +
> > +               if (!entity_is_task(se))
> > +                       goto next;
> > +
> > +               p = task_of(se);
> > +               task_throttle_setup_work(p);
> > +next:
> > +               node = rb_next(node);
> > +       }
> 
> I'd like to strongly push back on this approach. This adds quite a lot
> of extra computation to an already expensive path
> (throttle/unthrottle). e.g. this function is part of the cgroup walk
> and so it is already O(cgroups) for the number of cgroups in the
> hierarchy being throttled. This gets even worse when you consider that
> we repeat this separately across all the cpus that the
> bandwidth-constrained group is running on. Keep in mind that
> throttle/unthrottle is done with rq lock held and IRQ disabled.

Agree that it's not good to do this O(nr_task) thing in
throttle/unthrottle path. As Chengming mentioned, throttle path can
avoid this but unthrottle path does not have an easy way to avoid this.

> In K Prateek's last RFC, there was discussion of using context
> tracking; did you consider that approach any further? We could keep

I haven't tried that approach yet.

> track of the number of threads within a cgroup hierarchy currently in
> kernel mode (similar to h_nr_runnable), and thus simplify down the
> throttling code here.

My initial feeling is the implementation looks pretty complex. If it can
be simplified somehow, that would be great.

Best regards,
Aaron

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-19 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-17 10:56 [RFC PATCH 0/7] Defer throttle when task exits to user Aaron Lu
2025-03-13  7:21 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] sched/fair: Add related data structure for task based throttle Aaron Lu
2025-03-17 10:28   ` Valentin Schneider
2025-03-17 11:02     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-13  7:21 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] sched/fair: Handle throttle path " Aaron Lu
2025-03-13 18:14   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  8:48     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  9:00       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  3:28   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  8:57     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  9:12       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 15:10         ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  8:39   ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-14  8:49     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  9:42     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14 10:26       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 11:47         ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14 15:58           ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-14 18:04           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 11:07       ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-31  6:42         ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-31  9:14           ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-16  3:25   ` Josh Don
2025-03-17  2:54     ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-20  6:59       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-20  8:39         ` Chengming Zhou
2025-03-20 18:40           ` Xi Wang
2025-03-24  8:58             ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-25 10:02               ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-28  0:11                 ` Xi Wang
2025-03-28  3:11                   ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-28 22:47         ` Benjamin Segall
2025-03-19 13:43     ` Aaron Lu [this message]
2025-03-20  1:06       ` Josh Don
2025-03-20  6:53     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-13  7:21 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] sched/fair: Handle unthrottle " Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  3:53   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  4:06     ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 10:43     ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-14 17:52       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-17  5:48         ` Aaron Lu
2025-04-02  9:25         ` Aaron Lu
2025-04-02 17:24           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-13  7:21 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] sched/fair: Take care of migrated task " Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  4:03   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14  9:49     ` [External] " Aaron Lu
2025-03-13  7:21 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] sched/fair: Take care of group/affinity/sched_class change for throttled task Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  4:51   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 11:40     ` [External] " Aaron Lu
2025-03-13  7:22 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] sched/fair: fix tasks_rcu with task based throttle Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  4:14   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 11:37     ` [External] " Aaron Lu
2025-03-31  6:19     ` Aaron Lu
2025-04-01  3:17       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-04-01  8:48         ` Aaron Lu
2025-03-13  7:22 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] sched/fair: Make sure cfs_rq has enough runtime_remaining on unthrottle path Aaron Lu
2025-03-14  4:18   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-03-14 11:39     ` [External] " Aaron Lu

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