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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, iommu@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@amd.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Jonathan Cameron <jic23@kernel.org>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>,
	Samuel Ortiz <sameo@rivosinc.com>,
	Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <Suzuki.Poulose@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>,
	Shameer Kolothum <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v6 05/11] iommu: Add a helper to validate a vIOMMU parent
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2026 09:23:05 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260925122305.GG9354@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq5ald8pkhj7.fsf@kernel.org>

On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 11:18:44AM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
> > The TSM viommu should use a NULL parent domain, it doesn't have an
> > iommufd managed S2.
> 
> How would we assign an untrusted device? I currently follow these steps:

> 1. Create an HWPT with IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC_NEST_PARENT.
> 2. Allocate a vIOMMU with viommu.hwpt_id set to that hwpt_id.
> 3. Allocate a vdevice with alloc_vdev.viommu_id set to that viommu_id.
> 4. Use VFIO_DEVICE_ATTACH_IOMMUFD_PT with the hwpt_id.

The vmiommu.hwpt_id should be 0.

1. Create a a HWPT with IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC_NEST_PARENT
2. VFIO_DEVICE_ATTACH_IOMMUFD_PT with the hwpt_id to establish the T=0
   identity S2, no T=0 vSMMU
3. Create a VIOMMU with no hwpt_id and the RMM's type. This triggers
   RMM to create the the T=1 vSMMU inside the realm
4. Allocate a vdevice on the viommu_id. This triggers RMM to create
   the VDEV inside the realm
5. Setup guest ACPI tables/etc to point at the RMM's T=1 vsmmu.

Now both the T=1 VSUMM and T=0 fixed translation are setup.

If we loose our minds someday and want to concurrently have a T=0&1
VSMMU then the the first two steps become:

1. Create a a HWPT with IOMMU_HWPT_ALLOC_NEST_PARENT
2. Create a VIOMMU with no hwpt_id and IOMMU_VIOMMU_TYPE_ARM_SMMUV3
3. Create a vdevice on #2, we'd need to fixup iommufd to support two
   vdevices for the same device.
4. Create a nested child HWPT IOMMU_HWPT_DATA_ARM_SMMUV3 from the T=0
   vSTE
5. Use VFIO_DEVICE_ATTACH_IOMMUFD_PT on #3

ie there would be two viommu objects inside iommufd.

> I use the same iommufd for both trusted and untrusted devices because
> the guest controls that transition. While operating in untrusted mode, I
> use the iommufd to insert DMA mappings via IOMMU_IOAS_MAP.

Sure, that's not an issue, just don't create the *TSM VIOMMU* with a
hwpt.

TSM viommu driver just asserts the parent is NULL, since it doesn't
use a S2.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-25 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-17 14:01 [RFC PATCH v6 00/11] iommufd: Infrastructure for vIOMMU creation for confidential guests and guest TSM requests Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 01/11] vfio: cache KVM VM file references instead of raw struct kvm pointers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 02/11] vfio: cdev: Reject duplicate bind before updating KVM file Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24  7:53   ` Tian, Kevin
2026-09-25  5:49     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 03/11] iommufd/device: Associate KVM file pointer with iommufd_device Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 04/11] iommufd/viommu: Keep a reference to the KVM file Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 05/11] iommu: Add a helper to validate a vIOMMU parent Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  5:48     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-25 12:23       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 06/11] iommu: Add a helper to query vIOMMU hardware parameters Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  5:59     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-25 12:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 07/11] coco: tsm: Expose active-user lifetime references Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 08/11] iommufd: Add vIOMMU provider support Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  6:08     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-25 12:39       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 09/11] iommufd: Add the vdevice TSM request ioctl Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-18 13:09   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-09-18 13:13     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 10/11] PCI/TSM: Remove the legacy guest request interface Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-17 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v6 11/11] PCI/TSM: Add reference-counted contexts for vdevice providers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-09-24  8:17   ` Tian, Kevin
2026-09-24 19:41   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  8:15     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-17 14:17 ` [RFC PATCH v6 00/11] iommufd: Infrastructure for vIOMMU creation for confidential guests and guest TSM requests Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-24  7:48 ` Tian, Kevin
2026-09-24 19:20   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  8:29   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-24 19:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-25  6:46   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-09-25 12:45     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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