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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: mingo@kernel.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	vschneid@redhat.com, kprateek.nayak@amd.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ziqianlu@bytedance.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/12] sched: core-sched fixes and balancing
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2026 14:57:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261111135747.GP2668200@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3461bfecf6bc383facc218d56863d6c4@kernel.org>

On Wed, Nov 11, 2026 at 01:46:16AM -1000, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sat, Nov 07, 2026 at 12:59:13PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > The main difference is reworking of rq_clock due to TJ noticing the previous
> > one got it all wrong. The new patches might seem a little aimless at times;
> > this is because my initial idea for fixing the problem didn't pan out, but I
> > kept some of the groundwork for it anyway, since it resulted in simpler (I
> > hope) code.
> 
> I wonder whether the clock management is too subtle, and as Kayra
> pointed out on 05/12, saving and restoring the flags doesn't work when
> lock sections straddle each other, which core-sched makes common.
> Stepping back, I think the clock needs only two things:
> 
> 1. The wakeup path wants the following clock update to be skipped. This
>    doesn't need the REQ/ACT handoff. It can be one bit which says
>    "whoever updates the clock next, consider it updated without reading
>    it", cleared at the end of __schedule() so that it doesn't leak past
>    the reschedule that it was meant for.
> 
> 2. The clock should stay put across a section including while the lock
>    is dropped in the middle. This can be a per-rq depth count.
>    rq_pin_lock() increments, rq_unpin_lock() decrements, and
>    rq_drop_lock() and rq_repin_lock() don't touch it. update_rq_clock()
>    reads the clock only if it hasn't since the count left zero, and
>    that state is cleared when the count returns to zero, which is the
>    clear on unlock. Whoever locks the rq while a section is dropped
>    comes in at depth two and finds the clock already updated, so there's
>    no separate freeze state and nothing to save and restore, and it
>    doesn't matter in which order the sections end.
> 
> Raw lockers don't hold a count, so they'd update each time when no
> section is open, and double_rq_clock_clear_update() can go away. For
> core-sched, the core-wide selection updates every sibling's clock
> anyway, so it can take a count on each sibling as it does that and drop
> them when the selection ends.
> 
> What do you think?

Yeah, let me to play around with all that.

      reply	other threads:[~2026-11-11 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-07 11:59 Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 01/12] sched/core: Fix pick_next_task() self recursion Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11  0:30   ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 10:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 02/12] sched/core: Introduce rq_drop_lock() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-08  9:25   ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-11 10:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 03/12] sched/core: Decompose update_rq_clock() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 04/12] sched/core: Make __update_rq_clock() skip updates on UPDATED Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11  1:11   ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 10:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 12:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 05/12] sched/core: Abstract/fix rq_clock_start_loop_update() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-08 22:26   ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-11  9:10     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-11-11  9:51       ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 06/12] sched/core: New rq_{pin,drop,repin,unpin}_lock() semantics Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 10:41   ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 07/12] sched/core: Simplify/fix time updates Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 08/12] sched/core: Allow newidle for core-sched Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 09/12] sched/rt: Add early exit on balance path Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 10/12] sched/fair: Reflow pick_task_fair() / newidle Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 11:02   ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 12:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 11/12] sched/fair: Push sched_balance_newidle() unlock down Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-07 11:59 ` [PATCH v2 12/12] sched: Remove sched_class::balance() Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 11:18   ` Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 13:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 13:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-11-11 11:46 ` [PATCH v2 00/12] sched: core-sched fixes and balancing Tejun Heo
2026-11-11 13:57   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]

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