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From: Roman Gushchin <klamm@yandex-team.ru>
To: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] net: sysctl for RA default route MTU
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 22:03:56 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <211371428519836@webcorp02f.yandex-team.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1428422310.2928.8.camel@stressinduktion.org>

07.04.2015, 18:58, "Hannes Frederic Sowa" <hannes@stressinduktion.org>:
>  On Do, 2015-04-02 at 21:08 +0300, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>>>>    The next question I have is about the behavior of the new setting
>>>>    in the presence of an RA MTU option.  It seems like the sysctl
>>>>    doesn't override that RA MTU option, but rather just clamps it.
>>>>
>>>>    And then if it's in range, this controls only whether the default
>>>>    route has it's MTU adjusted.
>>>>
>>>>    That doesn't make any sense to me if we then go and do the
>>>>    rt6_mtu_change() call unconditionally.  The route metric update
>>>>    and the rt6_mtu_change() go hand in hand.
>>>   Agreed but that gets interesting:
>>>
>>>   I guess during testing the cnf.mtu6 value was equal to the newly
>>>   announced mtu value, so the rt6_mtu_change call does not happen. We
>>>   update cnf.mtu6 so a second RA packet would actually bring the system
>>>   into the desired state but we have a moment where the default route
>>>   carries a too big MTU. That's not good.
>>   Agreed.
>>>   Easiest solution is to reorder those calls but that also leaves us with
>>>   a time frame where we carry the incorrect MTU on the default route.
>>>   Otherwise we must conditionally filter out the default routes.
>>>   Roman, any ideas?
>>   I think, such approach will work on practise, but looks not very beatiful.
>>
>>   May be, a better idea is to serarate per-route and per-device MTU,
>>   so an updating of per-device MTU will not affect per-route MTU.
>>   Actual MTU can always been calculated as min(route_mtu, device_mtu),
>>   but we wouldn't need to update mtu on each route on receiving RA MTU option,
>>   for instance.
>>
>>   Do you see any problems with such approach?
>  If I understood you correct this actually seems to be quite an intrusive
>  change? :/ Can you show me some code how to do this?

Too intrusive, really)

>  I would also dislike adding a filtering capability to the route mtu
>  updates. Currently I don't have a god idea, sorry.

Hmm, I thought a bit more about this issue... And It seems to me now, that there is no issue at all.
If RA MTU is larger than ra_default_route_mtu, rt6_mtu_change() will not update it,
because dst_mtu(&rt->dst) != idev->cnf.mtu6 :
	if (rt->dst.dev == arg->dev &&
	    !dst_metric_locked(&rt->dst, RTAX_MTU) &&
	    (dst_mtu(&rt->dst) >= arg->mtu ||
	     (dst_mtu(&rt->dst) < arg->mtu &&
	      dst_mtu(&rt->dst) == idev->cnf.mtu6))) {
		dst_metric_set(&rt->dst, RTAX_MTU, arg->mtu);
	}
So, it's ok.

Otherwise, if RA MTU is lower than ra_default_route_mtu, rt6_mtu_change() will lower default route mtu, and it's ok too. There is a short period of time, when a newly created default route has too large MTU, but it's not scary. And it's exactly as it works now if new RA advertise MTU smaller than previous.

Do I miss something?

Thanks!

Regards,
Roman

      reply	other threads:[~2015-04-08 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-24 18:03 [PATCH] " Roman Gushchin
2015-03-24 19:27 ` David Miller
2015-03-25  9:49   ` Roman Gushchin
2015-03-25 11:07   ` [PATCH v2] " Roman Gushchin
2015-03-25 12:34     ` Denis Kirjanov
2015-03-25 15:52     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
     [not found]       ` <39171427301187@webcorp02f.yandex-team.ru>
2015-03-25 18:14         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-03-26 11:49           ` [PATCH v3] " Roman Gushchin
2015-03-26 14:49             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-03-29 19:42             ` David Miller
2015-03-30 12:30               ` Roman Gushchin
2015-03-31 20:05                 ` David Miller
2015-03-31 20:35                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-03-31 20:49                     ` David Miller
2015-04-01  9:58                       ` Roman Gushchin
2015-04-01 17:55                         ` David Miller
2015-04-01 19:27                           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-04-02 18:08                             ` Roman Gushchin
2015-04-07 15:58                               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-04-08 19:03                                 ` Roman Gushchin [this message]

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