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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
To: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
	Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Subject: Re: What still uses the block layer?
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 01:34:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <25897.1192599264@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:04:00 CDT." <200710150304.00901.rob@landley.net>

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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:04:00 CDT, Rob Landley said:
> I note that the eth0 and eth1 names are dynamically assigned on a first come
> first serve basis (like scsi).  This never causes me a problem because the
> driver loading order is constant, and once you figure out that eth0 is
> gigabit and eth1 is the 80211g it _stays_ that way across reboots, reliably.
> Yeah, it's a heuristic.  Hands up everybody relying on such a heuristic in
> the real world.

I've gotten burned by that heuristic enough times to not rely on it.  My last
laptop had an ethernet on the motherboard, a *separate* ethernet in the docking
station, an ethernet on a multifunction pcmcia card (I usually just used the
modem side), and a wireless that looked like an ethernet - so it was possible
for a given interface to be eth1 (if no dock and no pcmcia card) or eth3 (if
both were present).  And that's on a laptop from almost 5 years ago.

And then there's the recent Sun and Dell 1U rack-mounts that have 4 ethernets
on the motherboard, and they *never* seem to assign in a 0,1,2,3 order that
matches the 0 1 2 3 printed above the 4 RJ45's ;)

So I have for years been a proponent of 'ethN is nailed by MAC address' :)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-17  5:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-12  1:11 Rob Landley
2007-10-13 22:05 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-14  5:54   ` David Newall
2007-10-14 17:46     ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-14 22:35       ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-14 23:36       ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15  1:23         ` Neil Brown
2007-10-15  5:44         ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-15  9:26           ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 16:08             ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-15 17:10               ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16  3:06                 ` david
2007-10-16  5:56                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16 10:19                   ` Alan Cox
2007-10-16 19:54                     ` david
2007-10-16 19:54                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-16 20:18                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16 20:34                         ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-16 20:56                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16 20:55                         ` david
2007-10-16 21:49                           ` Alan Cox
2007-10-17  9:48                           ` Gabor Gombas
2007-10-17 17:23                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-17 21:04                             ` david
2007-10-15 20:29             ` Wilfried Klaebe
2007-10-14 22:24   ` James Bottomley
2007-10-14 23:45     ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15  1:45       ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-15  8:04         ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15  9:06           ` Julian Calaby
2007-10-15 10:08             ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 17:33               ` Greg KH
2007-10-16  2:54                 ` david
2007-10-16  4:04                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-16  4:11                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-16  4:15                     ` david
2007-10-16  4:21                     ` Greg KH
2007-10-16  5:00                       ` david
     [not found]               ` <646765f40710150327i78519a0fvaea7a83d5975b180@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <200710151511.29748.rob@landley.net>
2007-10-15 23:49                   ` Julian Calaby
2007-10-15 10:32           ` Loïc Grenié
2007-10-15 21:09             ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 11:19           ` Neil Brown
2007-10-15 21:34             ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 21:46               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-15 22:01               ` Alan Cox
2007-10-15 23:41               ` Neil Brown
2007-10-16  2:12                 ` david
2007-10-15 13:21           ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-15 13:29             ` Alan Cox
2007-10-15 13:35               ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-15 17:44               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-15 14:46             ` Douglas Gilbert
2007-10-16  2:51             ` david
2007-10-15 13:37           ` OOM killer gripe (was Re: What still uses the block layer?) Nick Piggin
2007-10-15  9:52             ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 15:08               ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  6:22                 ` David Newall
2007-10-20  9:48               ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-15 11:40             ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-20  9:50               ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-16  3:55             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16  4:10               ` david
2007-10-16  4:45                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16  6:59               ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  4:38                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16  6:38                   ` Rob Landley
2007-10-16  9:31                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 10:28                     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-16 23:59                       ` Rob Landley
2007-10-16  7:34                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-18 13:00                     ` Rogier Wolff
2007-10-19  6:49                       ` Rob Landley
2007-10-19  7:21                         ` Rogier Wolff
2007-10-16 20:37             ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-17  5:34           ` Valdis.Kletnieks [this message]
2007-10-17  6:07             ` What still uses the block layer? david
2007-10-15  6:00       ` Greg KH
2007-10-15  8:36         ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 13:08           ` Alan Cox
2007-10-15 14:00           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-15 18:56             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-10-15 17:25           ` Greg KH
2007-10-15 18:00             ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-15 18:46             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-16  6:33               ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-17 23:43               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-15 22:54             ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15  8:52         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-10-15 13:10       ` James Bottomley
2007-10-15 21:51         ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15  0:45     ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-15  6:51       ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15  8:37         ` Luben Tuikov

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