From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Cc: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>,
David Newall <david@davidnewall.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Subject: Re: What still uses the block layer?
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:10:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47139F15.7050702@s5r6.in-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071015160800.GA324@parisc-linux.org>
Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2007 at 04:26:04AM -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
>> Combining USB and IDE into the same /dev/sd? namespace makes enumerating the
>> IDE devices much harder than in the traditional "/dev/hdb doesn't move
>> without a screwdriver" model. The merger creates a new problem for IDE, one
>> which didn't exist before: the addition or removal of other unrelated types
>> of devices may change this device's location next boot. It may be possible
>> to add additional complication to the system to compensate, but what was the
>> advantage of merging the namespaces in the first place?
>
> It's not something anyone particularly set out to do, it's just how
> it worked out. It was justified by saying "ok, this goes from a 99%
> solution to a 96% solution, but there's 100% solution called uuids".
> I don't particularly agree with this line of argumentation, but it did
> hold sway.
Low-level networking drivers suggest a default interface name (per
interface or as a template like eth%d into which the networking core
inserts a lowest spare number). Userspace can rename interfaces, but
nevertheless it's nice to have different default kernel names for
ethernet, wlan etc..
Could low-level SCSI drivers provide similar name templates which give a
hint on the transport involved? It's a bit more difficult as with
networking interfaces though because
- SCSI devices can have sd, sr, st, osst, ch, sg interfaces,
- SCSI device files share a namespace with all other device files.
E.g.
/dev/sd-ide-b - second IDE HDD,
/dev/sd-iscsi-e - fifth iSCSI direct access device,
/dev/sr-sata-0 - first SATA CD-ROM,
/dev/sr-usb-0 - a USB CD-ROM,
/dev/st-fw-0 - a FireWire tape drive,
/dev/sda - a device whose transport driver didn't propose a name
Of course the really interesting names will still be provided by
udev-generated symlinks.
--
Stefan Richter
-=====-=-=== =-=- -====
http://arcgraph.de/sr/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-15 17:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-12 1:11 Rob Landley
2007-10-13 22:05 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-14 5:54 ` David Newall
2007-10-14 17:46 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-14 22:35 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-14 23:36 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 1:23 ` Neil Brown
2007-10-15 5:44 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-15 9:26 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 16:08 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-15 17:10 ` Stefan Richter [this message]
2007-10-16 3:06 ` david
2007-10-16 5:56 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16 10:19 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-16 19:54 ` david
2007-10-16 19:54 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-16 20:18 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16 20:34 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-16 20:56 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16 20:55 ` david
2007-10-16 21:49 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-17 9:48 ` Gabor Gombas
2007-10-17 17:23 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-17 21:04 ` david
2007-10-15 20:29 ` Wilfried Klaebe
2007-10-14 22:24 ` James Bottomley
2007-10-14 23:45 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 1:45 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-15 8:04 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 9:06 ` Julian Calaby
2007-10-15 10:08 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 17:33 ` Greg KH
2007-10-16 2:54 ` david
2007-10-16 4:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-16 4:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-16 4:15 ` david
2007-10-16 4:21 ` Greg KH
2007-10-16 5:00 ` david
[not found] ` <646765f40710150327i78519a0fvaea7a83d5975b180@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <200710151511.29748.rob@landley.net>
2007-10-15 23:49 ` Julian Calaby
2007-10-15 10:32 ` Loïc Grenié
2007-10-15 21:09 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 11:19 ` Neil Brown
2007-10-15 21:34 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 21:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-15 22:01 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-15 23:41 ` Neil Brown
2007-10-16 2:12 ` david
2007-10-15 13:21 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-15 13:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-15 13:35 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-15 17:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-15 14:46 ` Douglas Gilbert
2007-10-16 2:51 ` david
2007-10-15 13:37 ` OOM killer gripe (was Re: What still uses the block layer?) Nick Piggin
2007-10-15 9:52 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 15:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 6:22 ` David Newall
2007-10-20 9:48 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-15 11:40 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-20 9:50 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-16 3:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 4:10 ` david
2007-10-16 4:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 6:59 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 4:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 6:38 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-16 9:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 10:28 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-16 23:59 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-16 7:34 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-18 13:00 ` Rogier Wolff
2007-10-19 6:49 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-19 7:21 ` Rogier Wolff
2007-10-16 20:37 ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-17 5:34 ` What still uses the block layer? Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-17 6:07 ` david
2007-10-15 6:00 ` Greg KH
2007-10-15 8:36 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 13:08 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-15 14:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-15 18:56 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-10-15 17:25 ` Greg KH
2007-10-15 18:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-15 18:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-16 6:33 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-17 23:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-15 22:54 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 8:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-10-15 13:10 ` James Bottomley
2007-10-15 21:51 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 0:45 ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-15 6:51 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 8:37 ` Luben Tuikov
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