From: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
To: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
"Guo, Wangyang" <wangyang.guo@intel.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Benjamin Lei <benjamin.lei@intel.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
Tianyou Li <tianyou.li@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7] sched/clock: Avoid false sharing for sched_clock_irqtime
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2026 13:02:59 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2a7521d9-e4d8-4dc6-8e5a-122796f0d1ab@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a9ece3cf-c6bf-4bfb-be2d-0838a23e6708@amd.com>
On 1/28/26 12:48 PM, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> On 1/28/2026 11:56 AM, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/28/26 8:35 AM, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2026 7:49 AM, Guo, Wangyang wrote:
>>>> Yes, when clock mark unstable through tsc_.*mark_unstable() with non-native_sched_clock, clear_sched_clock_stable won't be called, thus sched_clock_irqtime still keep enabled.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the dedicated workqueue for sched_clock_irqtime is still needed considering this case.
>>>
>>> In that case, shouldn't tsc_init() only enable irqtime when
>>> using_native_sched_clock()? How can tsc_init() make a call on irqtime if
>>> TSC isn't being used as the sched_clock() ultimately?
>>>
>>> For kvmclock, if PVCLOCK_TSC_STABLE_BIT is not set, it'll call
>>> clear_sched_clock_stable() at kvm_sched_clock_init() but none of the
>>> other clocksources do so we can assume once we override the sched_clock()
>>> it is up to the sched_clock() provider to deal with the clock stability.
>>>
>>
>> I think this would depend if mark_tsc_unstable happens after system boot,
>> specially while running kvm guest?
>
> I don't see anything on the guest side that would mark the kvmclock as
> unstable if host's TSC turns unstable post init and since kvmclock
> doesn't set CLOCK_SOURCE_MUST_VERIFY, I doubt if a watchdog runs to
> verify it in the guest.
>
> I have the following in the guest:
>
> $ sudo dmesg | grep -i clock
> [ 0.000000] kvm-clock: Using msrs 4b564d01 and 4b564d00
> [ 0.000000] kvm-clock: using sched offset of 423259259 cycles
This means pv_sched_clock is kvm_sched_clock_read from now. and
irqtime is enabled in the guest. right?
> [ 0.000002] clocksource: kvm-clock: mask: 0xffffffffffffffff max_cycles: 0x1cd42e4dffb, max_idle_ns: 881590591483 ns
> [ 0.071675] clocksource: refined-jiffies: mask: 0xffffffff max_cycles: 0xffffffff, max_idle_ns: 7645519600211568 ns
> [ 0.378467] clocksource: hpet: mask: 0xffffffff max_cycles: 0xffffffff, max_idle_ns: 19112604467 ns
> [ 0.388678] clocksource: tsc-early: mask: 0xffffffffffffffff max_cycles: 0x398cb1e4d56, max_idle_ns: 881590790753 ns
> [ 0.679262] clocksource: jiffies: mask: 0xffffffff max_cycles: 0xffffffff, max_idle_ns: 7645041785100000 ns
> [ 0.903121] PTP clock support registered
> [ 0.927243] clocksource: Switched to clocksource kvm-clock
> [ 0.944986] clocksource: acpi_pm: mask: 0xffffff max_cycles: 0xffffff, max_idle_ns: 2085701024 ns
> [ 0.993198] clocksource: tsc: mask: 0xffffffffffffffff max_cycles: 0x398cb1e4d56, max_idle_ns: 881590790753 ns
> [ 1.123796] rtc_cmos 00:05: setting system clock to 2026-01-28T07:03:45 UTC (1769583825)
> [ 1.155755] sched_clock: Marking stable (940009972, 212965288)->(1171254846, -18279586)
> [ 1.712598] clk: Disabling unused clocks
>
> Then I mark TSC unstable on the host
>
> tsc: Marking TSC unstable due to Faking unreliable TSC!
> TSC found unstable after boot, most likely due to broken BIOS. Use 'tsc=unstable'.
> clocksource: Checking clocksource tsc synchronization from CPU 93 to CPUs 0,2,26,75,101,114,118,195.
> sched_clock: Marking unstable (945948313746, 69389667)<-(947618130068, -1600430832)
> clocksource: CPU 93 check durations 3436ns - 25277ns for clocksource tsc.
> clocksource: Switched to clocksource hpet
>
so now, using_native_sched_clock should fail in guest? If so, with the patch,
irqtime won't be disabled no?
> And nothing happens in the guest.
>
> cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
> kvm-clock
>
>
> If I launch the guest after marking host TSC unstable, I see:
>
> Unstable clock detected, switching default tracing clock to "global"
>
> and I don't get any "sched_clock: Marking stable" messages.
>
Maybe kvm_para_has_feature(KVM_FEATURE_CLOCKSOURCE_STABLE_BIT) won't be set.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-28 7:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-27 7:25 Wangyang Guo
2026-01-27 11:04 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-28 2:19 ` Guo, Wangyang
2026-01-28 3:05 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-01-28 6:26 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-01-28 7:18 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-01-28 7:32 ` Shrikanth Hegde [this message]
2026-01-28 7:50 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-01-28 7:56 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2026-02-03 9:55 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-02-03 11:18 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Wangyang Guo
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