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From: Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>
To: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/10] liveupdate: Preserve tmpfs files across Live Update
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2026 16:45:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2vxzbj7witb7.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <auy0ThryqW5nVx20@google.com> (David Matlack's message of "Thu, 5 Nov 2026 16:52:30 +0000")

Hi David,

On Thu, Nov 05 2026, David Matlack wrote:

> On 2026-11-05 04:42 PM, Christian Brauner wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 03, 2026 at 01:02:06AM +0000, David Matlack wrote:
[...]
>> So instead of LUO handing out a file descriptor for a file it invented,
>> let userspace create the file, O_TMPFILE, O_CREAT, whatever it likes,
>> with the owner, mode and xattrs it wants, and let LUO put the contents
>> into it. That's what the RFC did.
>
> I'm fine with going back to that in v4. The retrieve argument will just
> be a file descriptor for the target file, and LUO will only restore the
> contents and size into it. Everything else about the file is up to
> userspace.
>
>> The checks on the target are trivial: a writable fd to an empty shmem
>> file with the inode lock held while you fill it. A tmpfs file can't be
>> sealed, it only ever has F_SEAL_SEAL, so there's nothing to restore but
>> contents and size anyway.
>
> Sounds good. The one other check I plan to add is rejecting a target
> that LUO is already managing, e.g. a file that is preserved in an
> outgoing session and whose size is frozen.

I have been playing with this idea too, and I also stumbled onto this
problem.

You also need to make sure a preserve doesn't race with a retrieve.
Since userspace has access to the file, it can do both at the same time.
I think LUO should expose a "register file" function that registers the
file in luo_preserved_files. This should be the very first thing
retrieve does.

Also, today LUO core expects a fresh file from file handlers, so it
always installs a FD to that file in the task. When doing the "retrieve
into FD" thing, that will result in two FDs to the same file. While it
isn't a strict problem, it seems kinda ugly from a uAPI prespective.

Perhaps we should let retrieve signal to LUO core that "I already
installed the file", or a "I have no file to install", or something
similar?

>
> LUO will also add the folios while i_size is still 0, and set i_size
> last. So reads, page faults and memfd_pin_folios() wouldn't see the
> folios until the file is complete, and if the retrieve fails partway
> through the target is left empty.
>
[...]

-- 
Regards,
Pratyush Yadav

      reply	other threads:[~2026-11-10 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-03  1:02 David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] liveupdate: Pass user argument to file preserve and retrieve David Matlack
2026-11-04 13:17   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] selftests: liveupdate: Add tests for preserve and retrieve user argument David Matlack
2026-11-04 13:26   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] liveupdate: Allow file handlers to mark retrieve failures as retryable David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:12   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 16:15     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] mm: Rename memfd_luo to shmem_luo David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:25   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] liveupdate: Don't WARN if tracking a retrieved file fails David Matlack
2026-11-04 14:32   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] mm/shmem_luo: Don't make early retrieve failures permanent David Matlack
2026-11-04 15:01   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:28     ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:14       ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] mm/shmem_luo: Retrieve tmpfs files onto a tmpfs mount chosen by userspace David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:27   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:30     ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:20       ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] mm/shmem_luo: Allow preserving tmpfs files that are still linked David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:45   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 22:32     ` David Matlack
2026-11-04 23:38     ` David Matlack
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] mm/shmem_luo: Allow retrieving tmpfs files with O_RDONLY David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:52   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 19:45     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 22:35       ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:11         ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-03  1:02 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] selftests/liveupdate: Add a test for preserving tmpfs files David Matlack
2026-11-04  0:43   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 16:59   ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-04 19:37     ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-11-04 22:42       ` David Matlack
2026-11-06 14:19         ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-11-05 15:42 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] liveupdate: Preserve tmpfs files across Live Update Christian Brauner
2026-11-05 16:52   ` David Matlack
2026-11-10 15:45     ` Pratyush Yadav [this message]

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