From: Scott Robert Ladd <coyote@coyotegulch.com>
To: Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>
Cc: wa@almesberger.net, lm@work.bitmover.com,
miquels@cistron-office.nl, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM]
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:12:41 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3EF50289.8000700@coyotegulch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030622001322.16c5c458.skraw@ithnet.com>
Stephan von Krawczynski wrote:
> Scott Robert Ladd <coyote@coyotegulch.com> wrote:
>>A very technocratic view, to be sure. Source code is no guranatee of
>>future portability or viability; for the vast, vast majority of users --
>>we do care about those, don't we? -- source code is useless.
>
> I doubt that. You are probably right with your exact statement, meaning that
> the _user_ cannot make use of the available source code himself (though the
> only reason why is that he plays user and refuses to learn anything :-)
While I subscribe to the theory that specialization is for insects (ala
Heinlein), I also recognize that no one can know everything. Having
tried to be a universalist, I'm somewhat familiar with the limitations
of time over genius; while it is certainly possible for me to perform
surgery, for example, I would much rather have a trained professional do it.
Just because someone is not a programmer does not make them lazy. Most
users have other tasks at hand; in my case, I would much rather my
surgeon refine his skills the the scapel, than have him waste time
writing his own diagnostic software.
> the manpower and brain invested in creation of this open source code is not
> lost in space. Someone with brain and time can pick it up and revive it at any
> given time. And this is a very big advantage in comparison to closed source
> which simply vanishes with its producing company - and there already have been
> quite a few of those.
I most certainly agree. Knowledge is built on knowledge, and if a Homo
erectus had patented the flaked stone tool, we would all still be living
in caves.
Of course, not everyone is capable of creating a sharp edge by banging
the rocks together. And that's why different people do different things.
> So even if your statement looks correct in micro-economics, it is completely
> wrong in macro-economics. As Larry already pointed out in another post software
> development is often expensive. But it is only expensive if every company has
> to re-invent the wheel.
>
> If you can simply use the wheel and go on producing a
> car "on top" of it, you _saved_ money, time and manpower.
The mere act of making code open (or object-oriented) does not make
people reuse it. I am constantly amazed by the amount of available
information, and am disturbed by how few people take advantage of it.
Almost every company *does* reinvent the wheel -- and that can not be
legitimately blamed on closed-source software. Witness the massive
duplication of effort in the free software community -- KDE, Gnome, and
other "desktops" being a salient example. Egos, license disputes,
business concerns, and technical choices lead to duplication of effort;
as a former evangelist of object-oriented programming, I'm more than
aware that it is not technology that prevents code re-use, but psychology.
--
Scott Robert Ladd
Coyote Gulch Productions (http://www.coyotegulch.com)
Professional programming for science and engineering;
Interesting and unusual bits of very free code.
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2003-05-30 8:04 SCO's claims seem empty Martin List-Petersen
2003-05-30 13:01 ` Paul Rolland
2003-05-30 20:20 ` Mark Mielke
2003-05-31 23:06 ` brian
2003-06-01 7:56 ` Paul Rolland
2003-06-01 9:22 ` Lionel Elie Mamane
2003-06-01 9:38 ` Markus Plail
2003-06-01 9:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-01 9:40 ` Riley Williams
2003-06-01 10:00 ` Michael Frank
2003-06-02 0:03 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-01 9:40 ` Nicolas Vollmar
2003-06-01 9:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-06-01 9:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-01 9:56 ` Michael Frank
2003-06-01 12:34 ` Paul Rolland
2003-06-01 12:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-02 0:15 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-02 1:19 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-02 11:10 ` uaca
2003-06-02 11:24 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2003-06-06 12:31 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-06 15:13 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-06 16:22 ` Paul Rolland
2003-06-06 17:20 ` Richard B. Johnson
[not found] ` <5.2.0.9.2.20030607044649.00cd4590@pop.gmx.net>
2003-06-18 17:36 ` Sco vs. IBM Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-18 17:58 ` Luigi Rosa
2003-06-18 19:07 ` James Simmons
2003-06-18 19:19 ` Rick Franchuk
2003-06-18 19:39 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-18 19:53 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-18 20:28 ` Tom Diehl
2003-06-18 21:04 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-19 0:20 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-19 11:04 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-19 12:00 ` Magnus Solvang
2003-06-19 12:45 ` jdow
2003-06-19 12:57 ` Magnus Solvang
2003-06-19 13:03 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-19 13:14 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-19 13:29 ` Thorsten Körner
2003-06-19 23:39 ` jdow
2003-06-19 14:14 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-19 16:34 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2003-06-19 16:59 ` Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] Larry McVoy
2003-06-19 17:13 ` ismail (cartman) donmez
2003-06-20 3:12 ` [OT] " Werner Almesberger
2003-06-20 10:09 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-20 14:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 14:30 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 14:59 ` Michael Poole
2003-06-20 15:34 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 15:50 ` Lawrence Walton
2003-06-20 16:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 16:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-20 16:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 1:31 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-21 12:20 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 13:38 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 14:10 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 17:05 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 17:54 ` David Weinehall
2003-06-23 8:54 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 13:22 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 13:32 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 13:37 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 14:04 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 14:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 14:26 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-24 9:51 ` David Blomber
2003-06-23 13:54 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-06-23 13:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 15:34 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-06-23 15:40 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 16:13 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-23 14:30 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-23 15:06 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 15:32 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 15:39 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 15:59 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-23 16:13 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-26 17:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-26 18:40 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 19:10 ` David Weinehall
2003-06-26 19:13 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-27 12:51 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-23 15:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-23 15:59 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 16:36 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-23 19:16 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-23 16:02 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-23 16:11 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-23 16:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-23 16:35 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-24 22:29 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-24 18:18 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-20 17:02 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 23:27 ` Paul Mackerras
2003-06-20 16:41 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 16:45 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 19:35 ` John Alvord
2003-06-21 13:46 ` Paul Jakma
2003-06-23 12:23 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 14:44 ` Nick LeRoy
2003-06-20 15:17 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 15:49 ` Nick LeRoy
2003-06-20 16:58 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 17:01 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 17:21 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 15:18 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-20 15:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 15:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-23 19:30 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-25 0:31 ` Robert White
2003-06-25 1:21 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-25 3:35 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-25 3:37 ` Werner Almesberger
[not found] ` <PEEPIDHAKMCGHDBJLHKGKECCDBAA.rwhite@casabyte.com>
2003-06-25 3:49 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-25 10:11 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-06-25 11:32 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-25 22:47 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-26 0:07 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 0:27 ` David Lang
2003-06-26 1:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 3:29 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 13:44 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-26 7:18 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-26 11:20 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-26 3:24 ` Paul Jakma
2003-06-26 11:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-06-26 13:54 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-26 22:34 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-26 22:55 ` Robert White
2003-06-25 20:35 ` Robert White
2003-06-25 21:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-25 23:05 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-26 1:14 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 2:45 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-26 3:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 3:38 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 3:50 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 12:20 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-26 14:45 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 15:16 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-26 22:49 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-27 1:17 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-27 1:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 10:50 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-26 20:41 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 20:50 ` David Lang
2003-06-26 21:02 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 23:45 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-27 0:14 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-27 0:24 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-27 0:57 ` Robert White
2003-06-27 11:40 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-30 18:20 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-26 20:52 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 21:39 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 22:48 ` John Alvord
2003-06-26 21:50 ` Robert White
2003-06-27 11:00 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-25 21:27 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-21 12:28 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-20 15:46 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-20 17:31 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-21 7:37 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 12:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 12:55 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 13:06 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 13:11 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-06-23 12:16 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-23 12:44 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-23 13:05 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 16:27 ` Helge Hafting
2003-06-21 7:50 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 21:49 ` [OT] Troll Tech Jan Rychter
2003-06-21 22:02 ` Russell King
2003-06-22 1:47 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-22 14:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-06-22 9:24 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-06-23 13:06 ` [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-20 19:36 ` Greg KH
2003-06-20 20:12 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 0:04 ` Frank Cusack
2003-06-21 0:46 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 8:01 ` Martin Diehl
2003-06-21 11:39 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 11:53 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 12:08 ` Andrey Panin
2003-06-21 19:03 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-21 19:54 ` Michael Poole
2003-06-21 22:13 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-22 1:12 ` Scott Robert Ladd [this message]
2003-06-22 10:30 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-23 2:00 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-19 20:54 ` Sco vs. IBM Robin Rosenberg
2003-06-21 8:03 ` Holger Freyther
2003-06-21 8:12 ` Martin Diehl
2003-06-19 12:08 ` Thorsten Körner
2003-06-19 14:59 ` Bruce Ferrell
[not found] ` <3EF0ABB8.40007@coyotegulch.com>
2003-06-18 18:17 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-19 6:54 ` Dominik Kubla
2003-06-18 18:37 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-18 21:43 ` Grzegorz Jaskiewicz
2003-06-06 22:17 ` SCO's claims seem empty Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-06 22:33 ` Rob Landley
2003-06-12 10:20 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-02 11:39 ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-03 0:42 ` Raimundo Bilbao
2003-05-30 21:16 ` SCO's claims seem empty - Open Source Initiative Paper by Eric Raymond Piet Delaney
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306201101240.3705-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2003-06-20 15:09 ` [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] Nick LeRoy
2003-06-20 17:12 Watson, Craig
2003-06-20 17:38 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 17:48 Michael Kalus
2003-06-20 20:28 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-20 20:32 Michael Kalus
2003-06-20 21:04 Tom Lord
2003-06-21 1:22 marcelo
2003-06-26 22:05 Mudama, Eric
2003-06-26 22:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 22:21 ` Robert White
2003-06-27 15:08 Watson, Craig
2003-06-27 23:15 ` Robert White
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