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From: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
To: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:22:55 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <440E23DF.8020703@shaw.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5NPq4-34a-23@gated-at.bofh.it>

Jesse Barnes wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2006 10:30 am, David Howells wrote:
>> True, I suppose. I should make it clear that these accessor functions
>> imply memory barriers, if indeed they do, and that you should use them
>> rather than accessing I/O registers directly (at least, outside the
>> arch you should).
> 
> But they don't, that's why we have mmiowb().

I don't think that is why that function exists.. It's a no-op on most 
architectures, even where you would need to be able to do write barriers 
on IO accesses (i.e. x86_64 using CONFIG_UNORDERED_IO). I believe that 
function is intended for a more limited special case.

I think any complete memory barrier description should document that 
function as well as EXPLICITLY specifying whether or not the 
readX/writeX, etc. functions imply barriers or not.

> Btw, thanks for putting together this documentation, it's desperately 
> needed.

Seconded.. The fact that there's debate over what the rules even are 
shows why this is needed so badly.

-- 
Robert Hancock      Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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       reply	other threads:[~2006-03-08  0:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2006-03-08  0:22       ` Robert Hancock [this message]
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2006-03-08  1:10         ` Robert Hancock
2006-03-08 11:35           ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 14:55           ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 23:17 Chuck Ebbert
2006-03-08  0:15 ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08  0:24 ` Roberto Nibali
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-07 17:40 David Howells
2006-03-07 10:34 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 17:47 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-03-07 18:30 ` David Howells
2006-03-07 11:13   ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 18:46   ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 19:23   ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-07 11:57     ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 20:01       ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 21:14       ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-07 21:24         ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-08  0:36           ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  0:35       ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 19:24   ` David Howells
2006-03-07 19:46     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-03-07 18:40 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 18:54   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 19:06     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-07 19:15       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-09 11:26         ` Sergei Organov
2006-03-07 19:33     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 20:09 ` David Howells
2006-03-08  0:32   ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  8:25   ` Duncan Sands
2006-03-08 22:06     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:24       ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08 22:31         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 22:42       ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  2:07 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08  3:10 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08  3:30   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08  7:41   ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08 12:34   ` David Howells
2006-03-08 16:40     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-08 13:19 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 21:49   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:05     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-10  0:49   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-03-08 16:18 ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-08 16:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-08 17:35 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 17:46   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-08 17:59     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 20:16 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 22:01   ` Alan Cox
2006-03-09 11:41   ` David Howells
2006-03-09 12:28     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-09 13:02     ` David Howells
2006-03-09 16:32     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 17:39     ` David Howells
2006-03-09 17:54       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 17:56         ` Linus Torvalds

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