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From: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Cc: Timur Tabi <ttabi@nvidia.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] gpu: nova-core: bitfield: use &mut self setters instead of builder pattern
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2025 23:05:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4482eb34-0961-4b40-868f-77dc001d98e8@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d1a8fab7-f405-4b4e-84f9-8057c25c5ee3@nvidia.com>

Hi John,

On 12/31/2025 9:52 PM, John Hubbard wrote:
[..]
>>> But this really is fake chaining, because there are no Results involved.
>>> It's not buying us anything except a bit of indirection and cognitive
>>> load for the reader.
>>
>> Chaining is not really only about error propagation. Builder pattern can be used
>> for other cases too, like passing a setter chained expression to a function
>> argument for better clarity, I was planning to do that for the sequencer for
>> instance since there's a lot of parameters passed to it.
> 
> Let's see if that has any use for this.
> 
> So far, though, in the code base that we have today, there is absolutely
> zero benefit. The diffs here prove it.
> 

From your patch diff, I see the lines of code increased. But that's not even the
main issue I have with it (though IMO the chaining is more readable..).

>> But in this case, I am actually absolutely opposed against this, it makes the
>> API hard to use because now how do you differentiate between an IO function call
>> versus something that just mutates memory? Is set() an IO or write()?
> 
> That's a completely separate, pre-existing issue with the API.

Nope. With chaining we clearly know that the final operation is a write().

For instance, you cannot do:
  reg.set_foo()
     .write()
     .set_bar()

That wont compile. You cannot intermingle write() with set_XX() because write()
doesn't return anything that can be chained with. The builder pattern is typically:
  obj.set_something()
     .set_something()
     .do_some_action()

The 'set' can also be 'with' from what I've seen, whatever. The point is the
last thing is the action. IMO very readable and simple. I know that the write()
will be what ends up doing the I/O. It is one entity that culminates in the write().

> 
>>
>>       reg.set_foo(x);   // no IO
>>       reg.set_sec(y);
>>       reg.write(bar);   // IO.
>>
>> So no thank you, I quite dislike it. :)
>>
>> Instead with chaining, we can just rely on the last part of the chain concluding
>> in a write() with the intermediaries just mutating memory.
> 
> Same as above, just a more happy-happy chaining interface, but the same
> function calls must be made in the same order.

No, you cannot place write() anywhere except at the end of the chain - the type
system enforces this since write() returns ().

thanks,

 - Joel



  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-01  4:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-31 21:47 John Hubbard
2025-12-31 22:33 ` Timur Tabi
2025-12-31 22:47   ` John Hubbard
2026-01-01  0:15     ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-01  0:46       ` John Hubbard
2026-01-01  2:42         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-01  2:52           ` John Hubbard
2026-01-01  4:05             ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2026-01-01  4:28               ` Gary Guo
2026-01-01 10:01                 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-01  8:42 ` kernel test robot

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