From: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
To: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] gpu: nova-core: bitfield: use &mut self setters instead of builder pattern
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 00:15:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CE6A313F-9DF3-4944-A5AE-F26464D89C17@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ec3e5da4-f944-4526-a339-3da8286c36d2@nvidia.com>
> On Dec 31, 2025, at 5:47 PM, John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/31/25 2:33 PM, Timur Tabi wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2025-12-31 at 13:47 -0800, John Hubbard wrote:
>>> The builder-pattern setters (self -> Self) enabled method chaining like:
>>>
>>> reg.set_foo(x).set_sec(y).write(bar);
>>>
>>> This made separate operations appear as a single expression, obscuring
>>> that each setter is a distinct mutation.
>>
>> So you're concerned about the fact that the compiler is not merging the set_foo(x) and the
>> set_sec(y) into a single read-modify-write?
>
> No, I don't care about that aspect.
>
>>
>>> These setters are infallible,
>>> so the chaining provides no error-propagation benefit—it just obscures
>>> what are simple, independent assignments.
>>>
>>> Change the bitfield!() macro to generate `&mut self` setters, so each
>>> operation is a distinct statement:
>>>
>>> reg.set_foo(x);
>>> reg.set_sec(y);
>>> reg.write(bar);
>>
>> Are you sure about this? It just seems like you're throwing out a neat little feature of Rust and
>> replacing it with something that's very C-like. This breaks compatible with all users of the regs
>> macros. Seems really disruptive for what seems to me like a cosmetic change.
>>
>
> It's only a neat feature if it *does* something. In this case, it *looks*
> like a neat Rust feature, but under the covers it really is just handing
> around copies unnecessarily, when really, it *is* doing the C-like thing
> in the end.
>
> I object to the fake Rust-ness that's being done here. It's like putting
> hubcabs on a car.
But IMO there is only one operation here, the IO write. The setter is just mutations. Builder pattern chaining is idiomatic to Rust.
I would not call it fake Rustness since it is Rustness in the Rust language. Afair, similar arguments were made before and conclusion was, well, this is Rust.
Regarding the copies, I am intrigued - have you verified that the code generation actually results in copies? I would be surprised if the compiler did not optimize.
- Joel
>
> thanks,
> --
> John Hubbard
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-01 0:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-31 21:47 John Hubbard
2025-12-31 22:33 ` Timur Tabi
2025-12-31 22:47 ` John Hubbard
2026-01-01 0:15 ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2026-01-01 0:46 ` John Hubbard
2026-01-01 2:42 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-01 2:52 ` John Hubbard
2026-01-01 4:05 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-01 4:28 ` Gary Guo
2026-01-01 10:01 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-01 8:42 ` kernel test robot
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