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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Dave Olson <olson@unixfolk.com>,
	ccb@acm.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Chubb <peter@chubb.wattle.id.au>
Subject: Re: [patch] increase spinlock-debug looping timeouts (write_lock and NMI)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:27:24 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <449821EC.2080601@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44981164.3000406@yahoo.com.au>

Nick Piggin wrote:

> And either way, spinlocks are still much more costly than rwlocks,
> because they still have that first exclusive request, who's
> effectiveness deteriorates under load. That you *also* have these
> follow on shared accesses (which will need to be invalidated somehow
> later anyway), doesn't make them better than read locks.

I shouldn't say much more costly.... Much more costly when looking
at the limit case (and we traditionally rather look at the common
case in Linux, and in those cases spinlocks _can_ be faster).

However in the limit, spinlocks scale O(N), while readlocks scale
O(1), where N is the number of CPUs trying to take the lock.
AFAIKS.

But if they're causing stability problems, I have no arguments
against converting them to spinlocks. It might even result in a
worldwide net saving of CPU cycles, for what that's worth ;)

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-20 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.VT2rwoX1M/2O/aO5crhlRDNx4YA@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.Zp589GPrIISmAAheRowfRgZ1jgs@ifi.uio.no>
2006-06-20  5:35   ` Dave Olson
2006-06-20  6:39     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-20  6:53       ` Dave Jones
2006-06-20  7:37       ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-20  8:03         ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-20  8:33         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-20  9:37           ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-20  9:51             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-20 10:59               ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-20 13:04                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-20 13:28                   ` update pci device id cckuo
2006-06-20 14:06                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-20 13:36                   ` [patch] increase spinlock-debug looping timeouts (write_lock and NMI) Nick Piggin
2006-06-20 14:53                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-20 15:16                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-20 16:27                         ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-06-20  8:43         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-20 16:11       ` Dave Olson
2006-06-20 21:10         ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-22  5:45 Dave Olson
2006-06-22  5:57 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-23  7:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-23 16:27 Dave Olson

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