From: Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@o2.pl>,
Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
chris@atlee.ca, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:44:52 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <467AAB04.2070409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070621160817.GA22897@elte.hu>
On 06/21/2007 12:08 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> yeah - i'm not at all arguing in favor of the BTRL patch i did: i always
> liked the 'nicer' inner loop of spinlocks, which could btw also easily
> use MONITOR/MWAIT.
The "nice" inner loop is necessary or else it would generate huge amounts
of bus traffic while spinning.
> So it seems the problem was that if a core kept _truly_ modifying a
> cacheline via atomics in a high enough frequency, it could artificially
> starve the other core. (which would keep waiting for the cacheline to be
> released one day, and which kept the first core from ever making any
> progress) To me that looks like a real problem on the hardware side -
> shouldnt cacheline ownership be arbitrated a bit better than that?
>
A while ago I showed that spinlocks were a lot more fair when doing
unlock with the xchg instruction on x86. Probably the arbitration is all
screwed up because we use a mov instruction, which while atomic is not
locked.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-21 16:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-24 12:04 Miklos Szeredi
2007-05-24 12:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-24 14:03 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-05-24 14:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-24 14:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-05-24 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-24 14:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-24 17:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-05-24 21:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 9:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-14 16:04 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-15 21:25 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-06-16 10:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-17 21:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-18 6:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-18 7:24 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-18 8:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-18 8:20 ` Andrew Morton
2007-06-19 4:22 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2007-06-18 8:25 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-18 8:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-18 8:34 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-18 9:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-18 9:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-18 9:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-18 10:18 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-18 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-18 13:10 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-18 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-18 17:41 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-18 17:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-18 18:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-18 18:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-18 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-20 9:36 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-06-20 17:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 7:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-21 15:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 16:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-21 16:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 16:44 ` Chuck Ebbert [this message]
2007-06-21 17:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 18:29 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-06-21 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 19:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 20:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-21 20:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 20:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-21 20:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 21:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-21 20:42 ` [patch] spinlock debug: make looping nicer Ingo Molnar
2007-06-21 20:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 21:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 7:00 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-06-21 20:36 ` [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60 Eric Dumazet
2007-06-21 19:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-21 20:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 20:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-21 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-26 8:42 ` Nick Piggin
2007-06-26 10:56 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-06-26 17:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-27 5:23 ` Nick Piggin
2007-06-27 6:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-27 6:20 ` Nick Piggin
2007-06-27 19:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-27 20:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-27 20:17 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-06-27 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-27 23:30 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-06-28 0:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-28 3:03 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-07-02 7:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-06-21 20:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-22 8:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-23 10:36 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-23 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-25 6:45 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-06-21 20:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-21 20:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-21 7:38 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-06-21 8:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-21 11:09 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-06-21 16:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-06-22 10:38 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-05-24 22:08 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-24 22:13 ` Kok, Auke
2007-05-25 6:58 ` Ingo Molnar
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