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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@linux.intel.com>, Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] virtio_console: Add support for multiple ports for generic guest and host communication
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:11:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AB3E965.10300@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AB3C988.2040303@codemonkey.ws>

On 09/18/09 19:55, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> So you need break, parity ... no be serious please
>
> Sure, why not?
>
> In QEMU, we have the ability to hook our devices directly to a physical
> serial device and we pass through break, parity, and the other serial
> device properties.

Yes for a emulated 16550.
No for virtio-console.

If you want the guest drive some silly piece of hardware which wants a 
serial mode != 8N1 or needs breaks you can't use virtio-console.

> Again, this is paravirtual serial device and I think it's entirely
> reasonable for people to hook up these ports in the guest directly to
> physical serial devices in the host.

Except that the paravirtual device named 'virtio-console' simply doesn't 
allow to set serial parameters such as parity, data bits and stop bits.

It is *really* just a (single) byte stream piped over a virtio ring.

The guest side happens to be connected to hvc, so you can use that as 
console, thus the name 'virtio-console'.

The plan is to extend that to multiple byte streams.  The streams can be 
hooked up to hvc (and one stream allways will be for backward 
compatibility reasons), giving you a text console.  Or they can be 
linked to a character device with a name tag (aka sysfs attribute), 
providing a named bidirectional byte stream for guest<->host communication.

>  From my perspective, this is a paravirtual serial device and nothing
> more.

It simply isn't, see above.

> All the discussion of things like guest copy/paste support is a
> bit silly.

Implementing transparent copy/paste support needs some communication 
channel between guest and host.  The multiport virtio console driver 
provides just that.

> This is the wrong way to approach that sort of thing because
> it's not something that belongs in the kernel at all.

Who claimed the copy/paste bits should go into the kernel?
They will not of course.

> Furthermore, the
> current proposal doesn't handle anything like save/restore which is
> needed for live migration.

That is something the host side (i.e. qemu) has to solve.
The guest will not care about it at all ;)

cheers,
   Gerd


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-09-18 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-11 14:13 Multiple ports support for virtio_console; major number for dev Amit Shah
2009-09-11 14:13 ` [PATCH] virtio_console: Add support for multiple ports for generic guest and host communication Amit Shah
2009-09-11 16:00   ` Alan Cox
2009-09-11 16:38     ` Amit Shah
2009-09-11 17:26       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-11 17:33         ` Amit Shah
2009-09-11 17:35           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-16 10:23             ` Alan Cox
2009-09-16 22:20               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-17 13:06                 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-09-17 13:15                   ` Alan Cox
2009-09-17 13:41                     ` Amit Shah
2009-09-17 15:57                       ` Alan Cox
2009-09-17 16:46                         ` Amit Shah
2009-09-18 16:00                 ` Alan Cox
2009-09-18 17:55                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-18 17:57                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-09-18 18:02                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-19  7:04                       ` Amit Shah
2009-09-18 20:11                     ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2009-09-19  7:01                     ` Amit Shah
2009-09-21 10:06                     ` Alan Cox
2009-09-15 12:37     ` Amit Shah
2009-09-15 12:57       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-15 13:03         ` Amit Shah
2009-09-15 13:37           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-15 14:08         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-09-15 14:09           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-22  2:44     ` Rusty Russell
2009-09-22 15:45       ` Amit Shah
2009-09-29  9:24         ` Amit Shah
2009-09-29 10:09           ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-09-29 10:33             ` Amit Shah
2009-09-29 11:02               ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-09-29 11:40                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-09-29 12:03           ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-09-29 12:20             ` Amit Shah
2009-09-29 12:56               ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-09-29 13:09                 ` Amit Shah
2009-09-29 13:31                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-09-30 17:13                     ` Amit Shah
2009-10-01  8:17                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-10-01  8:47                         ` Amit Shah
2009-10-01  8:55                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-10-01  9:00                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-10-01 10:04                         ` Amit Shah
2009-10-01 10:28                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-10-01 10:42                         ` Amit Shah
2009-10-01 11:58                         ` Amit Shah
2009-10-01 12:04                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-10-01 13:50                             ` Amit Shah
2009-10-05 14:05                         ` Amit Shah
2009-10-06  6:49                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2009-10-06  6:55                             ` Amit Shah
2009-09-29 13:11   ` Rusty Russell
2009-09-29 13:24     ` Amit Shah

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