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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, autofs@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Meyer <thomas@m3y3r.de>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: compat: autofs v5 packet size ambiguity - update
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:43:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F45293C.8050209@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwUvuaGdnpwVQLQLF=DdqROmKqz65v+_DXHbebNhPqkLg@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/22/2012 08:10 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> Well, the kernel gives the right semantics for pipes too - writes are
> guaranteed to be "atomic", so even in the presence of multiple writers
> you can trivially do packetized data.
> 
> You just have to (a) add the length to the packet and (b) do the
> length+packet write as a single write (which is limited to PIPE_SIZE -
> 4kB - for the atomicity guarantee).
> 
> If you don't have multiple concurrent writers without locking, the (b)
> part falls away entirely, of course.
> 
> Yes, for the reader side you need to be able to handle the fact that
> you can get more than one packet in one read() call, but sorting that
> out isn't hard either.
> 

What you describe above is pretty much how autofs 3 used to work; except
it would do one read() for the header including length and then another
read() for the body.  Of course, it could just have read ahead -- if you
read part of the next packet, it wouldn't really matter since at least
at that time the daemon was single-threaded and would have to loop back
anyway.

The PIPE_SIZE guarantee took care of the fact that this was a multiple
writer/single reader situation (since the writes happens in the context
of the process requesting a mount.)  Either way, SOCK_DGRAM and
SOCK_SEQPACKET would solve all of the problems and would Just Work, and
packet boundaries would then be explicit.

> But yeah, writing fixed-size data and then having a reader that reads
> fixed-size data is just not a very good approach. It's doubly bad when
> the "fixed size" isn't an explicit size that is documented in the
> protocol, but depends on data structures.

Indeed.

	-hpa

-- 
H. Peter Anvin, Intel Open Source Technology Center
I work for Intel.  I don't speak on their behalf.


  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-22 17:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-22  2:24 Linus Torvalds
2012-02-22  3:16 ` David Miller
2012-02-22  3:33   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-22  3:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-22  4:20       ` Ian Kent
2012-02-22  4:56       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-22  5:43         ` Ian Kent
2012-02-22  5:53           ` Ian Kent
2012-02-22  5:57             ` Ian Kent
2012-02-22  9:32               ` Ian Kent
2012-02-22 12:15                 ` Ian Kent
2012-02-22 12:39                   ` Ian Kent
2012-02-22 12:45                     ` Ian Kent
2012-02-22 16:20                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-22 15:13                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-23  1:35                   ` Ian Kent
2012-02-22 16:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-23  1:48                   ` Ian Kent
2012-02-23  1:54                     ` Ian Kent
2012-02-23  2:21                       ` Ian Kent
2012-02-23  6:29                         ` Ian Kent
2012-02-23  6:31                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-23 11:20                             ` Ian Kent
2012-02-23 11:26                               ` Ian Kent
2012-02-23  8:54                         ` Thomas Meyer
2012-02-23  1:56                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-23  2:09                       ` Ian Kent
2012-02-23  2:11                         ` Ian Kent
2012-02-23  2:25                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-23  2:32                           ` Ian Kent
2012-02-25 11:28               ` Thomas Meyer
2012-02-25 22:10               ` [PATCH] autofs4: fix compilation without CONFIG_COMPAT Andreas Schwab
2012-02-26  1:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-26  1:46                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-26  1:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-26  3:07                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-26  9:05                   ` Andreas Schwab
2012-02-27  7:29                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2012-02-27  9:09                     ` Heiko Carstens
2012-02-27 16:22                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-27 16:25                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-27  9:20                     ` Ian Kent
2012-02-22  6:02           ` compat: autofs v5 packet size ambiguity - update H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 16:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-22 17:43               ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2012-02-22 17:45               ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-02-22 18:16                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-22 18:19                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-02-22 18:20                   ` H. Peter Anvin

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