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From: Corrado Zoccolo <czoccolo@gmail.com>
To: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
Cc: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Linux-Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
	Gui Jianfeng <guijianfeng@cn.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cfq-iosched: non-rot devices do not need read queue  merging
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:55:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4e5e476b1001100455l17a8fa4eyf69282f5717a20c4@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4e5e476b1001051348y4637986epb9b56958c738061a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Corrado Zoccolo <czoccolo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>> Thanks Jeff, one thing comes to mind. Now with recent changes, we drive deeper
>>> depths on SSD with NCQ and there are not many pending cfqq on service tree
>>> until and unless number of parallel threads exceed NCQ depth (32). If
>>> that's the case, then I think we might not be seeing lot of queue merging
>>> happening in this test case until and unless dump utility is creating more
>>> than 32 threads.
>>>
>>> If time permits, it might also be interesting to run the same test with queue
>>> depth 1 and see if SSDs without NCQ will suffer or not.
>>
>> Corrado, I think what Vivek is getting at is that you should check for
>> both blk_queue_nonrot and cfqd->hw_tag (like in cfq_arm_slice_timer).
>> Do you agree?
> Well, actually I didn't want to distinguish on hw_tag here. I had to
> still allow merging of writes exactly because a write merge can save
> hundreds of ms on a non-NCQ SSD.
>
> Vivek is right that on non-NCQ SSDs a successful merge would increase
> the performance, but I still think that the likelyhood of a merge is
> so low that maintaining the RB-tree is superfluous. Usually, those
> devices are coupled with low-end CPUs, so saving the code execution
> could be a win there too. I'll run some tests on my netbook.
>
> BTW, I'm looking at read-test2 right now. I see it doesn't use direct
> I/O, so it relies also on page cache. I think page cache can detect
> the hidden sequential pattern, and thus send big readahead requests to
> the device, making merging impossible (on my SSD, readahead size and
> max hw request size match).
>
I did some tests, and found a surprising thing.
Simply running the test script, the BW levels to a high BW value,
regardless of queue merging in CFQ is enabled or disabled.
I suspected something odd was going on, so I modified the script to
drop caches before each run, and now I found that with queue merging
it is 3 times faster than without, so on non-ncq SSD it is better to
have queue merging enabled, after all.
I'm wondering why the page cache being full can give so large results.
My disk is 4 times larger than the available RAM, so it should do just
a 1/4 boost not clearing it.
I have to do more tests to understand what's going on...

Thanks,
Corrado
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff
>>
>



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dott. Corrado Zoccolo                          mailto:czoccolo@gmail.com
PhD - Department of Computer Science - University of Pisa, Italy
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-01-10 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-30 12:10 [PATCH] cfq-iosched: non-rot devices do not need " Corrado Zoccolo
2009-12-30 18:45 ` Jens Axboe
2009-12-30 20:31   ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-12-30 21:11     ` Jens Axboe
2009-12-30 21:21       ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-12-30 21:34         ` Jens Axboe
2009-12-30 22:22           ` [PATCH] cfq-iosched: non-rot devices do not need read " Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-04 14:47             ` Vivek Goyal
2010-01-04 16:36               ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-04 16:51                 ` Jeff Moyer
2010-01-04 18:32                   ` Vivek Goyal
2010-01-04 18:37                   ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-04 18:51                     ` Vivek Goyal
2010-01-04 19:04                       ` Jeff Moyer
2010-01-04 20:37                         ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-05 14:58                           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-01-05 15:13                             ` Vivek Goyal
2010-01-05 21:19                               ` Jeff Moyer
2010-01-05 21:48                                 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-07 10:56                                   ` Kirill Afonshin
2010-01-07 13:38                                     ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-07 14:36                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2010-01-07 17:00                                         ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-07 18:37                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2010-01-07 20:16                                             ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-08 18:53                                               ` Vivek Goyal
2010-01-10 12:55                                   ` Corrado Zoccolo [this message]
2010-01-10 21:04             ` [PATCH] cfq-iosched: NCQ SSDs " Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-10 21:08               ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-11 11:25               ` Jeff Garzik
2010-01-11 12:26                 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-11 13:13                   ` Jens Axboe
2010-01-11 13:18                     ` Jeff Garzik
2010-01-11 13:24                       ` Jens Axboe
2010-01-11 14:53                       ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-11 16:44                         ` Vivek Goyal
2010-01-11 17:00                           ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-11 17:07                             ` Vivek Goyal
2010-01-11 19:05                               ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-01-11 17:11                             ` Vivek Goyal
2010-01-11 19:09                               ` Corrado Zoccolo

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