From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>,
Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Fix adverse effects of NFS client on interactive response
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:31:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20060105070601.026b21f0@pop.gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43BC4353.3090704@bigpond.net.au>
At 08:51 AM 1/5/2006 +1100, Peter Williams wrote:
>I think that some of the harder to understand parts of the scheduler code
>are actually attempts to overcome the undesirable effects (such as those
>I've described) of inappropriately identifying tasks as interactive. I
>think that it would have been better to attempt to fix the inappropriate
>identifications rather than their effects and I think the prudent use of
>TASK_NONINTERACTIVE is an important tool for achieving this.
IMHO, that's nothing but a cover for the weaknesses induced by using
exclusively sleep time as an information source for the priority
calculation. While this heuristic does work pretty darn well, it's easily
fooled (intentionally or otherwise). The challenge is to find the right
low cost informational component, and to stir it in at O(1).
The fundamental problem with the whole interactivity issue is that the
kernel has no way to know if there's a human involved or not. My 100%cpu
GL screensaver is interactive while I'm mindlessly staring at it.
-Mike
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-01-05 6:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-12-21 6:00 Peter Williams
2005-12-21 6:09 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-21 6:32 ` Peter Williams
2005-12-21 13:21 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-21 13:36 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-21 13:40 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-22 2:26 ` Peter Williams
2005-12-22 22:08 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-22 22:33 ` Peter Williams
2005-12-22 22:59 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23 0:02 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-23 0:25 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23 3:06 ` Peter Williams
2005-12-23 9:39 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23 10:49 ` Peter Williams
2005-12-23 12:51 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23 13:36 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-02 12:09 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-23 19:07 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-23 21:08 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23 21:17 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-23 21:23 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23 22:04 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-23 22:10 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-21 16:10 ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-21 20:36 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-21 22:59 ` Peter Williams
2005-12-21 16:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-21 22:49 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-02 11:01 ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-02 23:54 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-04 1:25 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-04 9:40 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2006-01-04 12:18 ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-04 10:31 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2006-01-04 21:51 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-05 6:31 ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2006-01-05 11:31 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-05 14:31 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-05 23:13 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-05 23:33 ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-06 0:02 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-06 0:08 ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-06 0:40 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-06 7:39 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-07 1:11 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-07 5:27 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-07 6:34 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-07 8:54 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-07 23:40 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-08 5:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-07 9:30 ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-07 10:23 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-07 23:31 ` Peter Williams
2006-01-08 0:38 ` Con Kolivas
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