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From: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
To: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>
Cc: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Fix adverse effects of NFS client   on	interactive response
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:39:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20060106074738.00bbaeb8@pop.gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43BDA80C.4020009@bigpond.net.au>

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At 10:13 AM 1/6/2006 +1100, Peter Williams wrote:
>Mike Galbraith wrote:
>>At 10:31 PM 1/5/2006 +1100, Peter Williams wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Galbraith wrote:
>>>
>>>>At 08:51 AM 1/5/2006 +1100, Peter Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I think that some of the harder to understand parts of the scheduler 
>>>>>code are actually attempts to overcome the undesirable effects (such 
>>>>>as those I've described) of inappropriately identifying tasks as 
>>>>>interactive.  I think that it would have been better to attempt to fix 
>>>>>the inappropriate identifications rather than their effects and I 
>>>>>think the prudent use of TASK_NONINTERACTIVE is an important tool for 
>>>>>achieving this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>IMHO, that's nothing but a cover for the weaknesses induced by using 
>>>>exclusively sleep time as an information source for the priority 
>>>>calculation.  While this heuristic does work pretty darn well, it's 
>>>>easily fooled (intentionally or otherwise).  The challenge is to find 
>>>>the right low cost informational component, and to stir it in at O(1).
>>>
>>>
>>>TASK_NONINTERACTIVE helps in this regard, is no cost in the code where 
>>>it's used and probably decreases the costs in the scheduler code by 
>>>enabling some processing to be skipped.  If by its judicious use the 
>>>heuristic is only fed interactive sleep data the heuristics accuracy in 
>>>identifying interactive tasks should be improved.  It may also allow the 
>>>heuristic to be simplified.
>>
>>I disagree.  You can nip and tuck all the bits of sleep time you want, 
>>and it'll just shift the lumpy spots around (btdt).
>
>Yes, but there's a lot of (understandable) reluctance to do any major 
>rework of this part of the scheduler so we're stuck with nips and tucks 
>for the time being.  This patch is a zero cost nip and tuck.

Color me skeptical, but nonetheless, it looks to me like the mechanism 
might need the attached.

On the subject of nip and tuck, take a look at the little proggy posted in 
thread [SCHED] wrong priority calc - SIMPLE test case.  That testcase was 
the result of Paolo Ornati looking into a real problem on his system.  I 
just 'fixed' that nanosleep() problem by judicious application of 
TASK_NONINTERACTIVE to the schedule_timeout().  Sure, it works, but it 
doesn't look like anything but a bandaid (tourniquet in this case:) to me.

         -Mike 

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--- linux-2.6.15/kernel/sched.c.org	Fri Jan  6 08:44:09 2006
+++ linux-2.6.15/kernel/sched.c	Fri Jan  6 08:51:03 2006
@@ -1353,7 +1353,7 @@
 
 out_activate:
 #endif /* CONFIG_SMP */
-	if (old_state == TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE) {
+	if (old_state & TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE) {
 		rq->nr_uninterruptible--;
 		/*
 		 * Tasks on involuntary sleep don't earn
@@ -3010,7 +3010,7 @@
 				unlikely(signal_pending(prev))))
 			prev->state = TASK_RUNNING;
 		else {
-			if (prev->state == TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE)
+			if (prev->state & TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE)
 				rq->nr_uninterruptible++;
 			deactivate_task(prev, rq);
 		}

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-06  7:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-21  6:00 Peter Williams
2005-12-21  6:09 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-21  6:32   ` Peter Williams
2005-12-21 13:21     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-21 13:36       ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-21 13:40         ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-22  2:26           ` Peter Williams
2005-12-22 22:08             ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-22 22:33               ` Peter Williams
2005-12-22 22:59                 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23  0:02                   ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-23  0:25                     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23  3:06                       ` Peter Williams
2005-12-23  9:39                         ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23 10:49                           ` Peter Williams
2005-12-23 12:51                             ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23 13:36                               ` Peter Williams
2006-01-02 12:09                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-12-23 19:07                           ` Lee Revell
2005-12-23 21:08                             ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23 21:17                               ` Lee Revell
2005-12-23 21:23                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-23 22:04                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-12-23 22:10                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-12-21 16:10         ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-21 20:36           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-21 22:59             ` Peter Williams
2005-12-21 16:11     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-21 22:49       ` Peter Williams
2006-01-02 11:01     ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-02 23:54       ` Peter Williams
2006-01-04  1:25         ` Peter Williams
2006-01-04  9:40           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2006-01-04 12:18             ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-04 10:31               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2006-01-04 21:51           ` Peter Williams
2006-01-05  6:31             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-05 11:31               ` Peter Williams
2006-01-05 14:31                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-05 23:13                   ` Peter Williams
2006-01-05 23:33                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-06  0:02                       ` Peter Williams
2006-01-06  0:08                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-06  0:40                           ` Peter Williams
2006-01-06  7:39                     ` Mike Galbraith [this message]
2006-01-07  1:11                       ` Peter Williams
2006-01-07  5:27                         ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-07  6:34                           ` Peter Williams
2006-01-07  8:54                             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-07 23:40                               ` Peter Williams
2006-01-08  5:51                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-07  9:30                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-01-07 10:23                             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-01-07 23:31                             ` Peter Williams
2006-01-08  0:38                               ` Con Kolivas

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