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From: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Si-Wei Liu <si-wei.liu@oracle.com>,
	Eugenio Perez Martin <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Dragos Tatulea <dtatulea@nvidia.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 5/7] vhost-vdpa: VHOST_IOTLB_REMAP
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 16:19:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53630267-d22f-45ab-8919-3103739e360c@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240718153724-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On 7/18/2024 3:39 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 08:45:31AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>> For example:
>>>>
>>>> 1) old owner pass fd to new owner which is another process
>>>> 2) the new owner do VHOST_NEW_OWNER
>>>> 3) new owner doesn't do remap correctly
>>>>
>>>> There's no way for the old owner to remove/unpin the mappings as we
>>>> have the owner check in IOTLB_UPDATE. Looks like a potential way for
>>>> DOS.
>>>
>>> This is a bug in the second cooperating process, not a DOS.  The application
>>> must fix it.  Sometimes you cannot recover from an application bug at run time.
>>>
>>> BTW, at one time vfio enforced the concept of an owner, but Alex deleted it.
>>> It adds no value, because possession of the fd is the key.
>>>     ffed0518d871 ("vfio: remove useless judgement")
>>
>> This seems to be a great relaxation of the ownership check. I would
>> like to hear from Michael first.
>>
>> Thanks
> 
> It could be that the ownership model is too restrictive.
> But again, this is changing a security assumption.
> Looks like yes another reason to tie this to the switch to iommufd.

iommufd, like vfio, does not impose an ownership requirement.  If vdpa has a
stricter requirement, such as allowing the vhost-net sharing that Jason
described, then we need to surface that now, and extend it to allow change
of ownership for live update.

Is the vhost-net scenario currently used, or aspirational?
Copying from Jason's email:
   1) Two processes (A and B) share a part of the memory
   2) A is the owner of the vhost-net who is in charge of building memory
   mappings via IOTLB
   3) A passes vhost-net fd to process B

- Steve


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-18 20:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-12 13:18 [PATCH V2 0/7] vdpa live update Steve Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 1/7] vhost-vdpa: count pinned memory Steve Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 2/7] vhost-vdpa: pass mm to bind Steve Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 3/7] vhost-vdpa: VHOST_NEW_OWNER Steve Sistare
2024-07-15  2:26   ` Jason Wang
2024-07-15  9:06     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-15 14:27     ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-16  5:16       ` Jason Wang
2024-07-17 18:28         ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-22  7:26           ` Jason Wang
2024-07-15  9:07   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-15 14:29     ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-15 14:38       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-15 15:38         ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 4/7] vhost-vdpa: VHOST_BACKEND_F_NEW_OWNER Steve Sistare
2024-07-15  2:31   ` Jason Wang
2024-07-15 14:27     ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 5/7] vhost-vdpa: VHOST_IOTLB_REMAP Steve Sistare
2024-07-15  2:34   ` Jason Wang
2024-07-15 14:28     ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-16  5:28       ` Jason Wang
2024-07-17 18:29         ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-18  0:45           ` Jason Wang
2024-07-18 19:39             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-07-18 20:19               ` Steven Sistare [this message]
2024-07-19  1:01                 ` Jason Wang
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 6/7] vhost-vdpa: VHOST_BACKEND_F_IOTLB_REMAP Steve Sistare
2024-07-12 13:18 ` [PATCH V2 7/7] vdpa/mlx5: new owner capability Steve Sistare
2024-07-12 14:06 ` [PATCH V2 0/7] vdpa live update Steven Sistare
2024-07-15  2:14 ` Jason Wang
2024-07-15 14:28   ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-16  5:30     ` Jason Wang
2024-07-17 18:29       ` Steven Sistare
2024-07-18  0:33         ` Jason Wang
2024-07-20 21:34           ` Steven Sistare

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