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From: Ilya Gladyshev <ilya.gladyshev@linux.dev>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	"David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch,
	apopple@nvidia.com, artem.kuzin@huawei.com,
	baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	edumazet@google.com, harry.yoo@oracle.com,
	hramamurthy@google.com, ivgorbunov@me.com, joshwash@google.com,
	kirill@shutemov.name, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	muchun.song@linux.dev, pfalcato@suse.de, rppt@kernel.org,
	surenb@google.com, vbabka@suse.cz, willy@infradead.org,
	yuzhao@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/3] mm: implement page refcount locking via dedicated bit
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2026 01:46:01 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <58411d37-dd5b-41c2-8b9e-d54939a1119d@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=widZMoVwT+to2PKPfy-y2gERYWdLsZCZvXcz0ZbXYpt9w@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/25/26 22:00, Linus Torvalds wrote:
 > On Fri, 25 Sept 2026 at 00:03, Ilya Gladyshev 
<ilya.gladyshev@linux.dev> wrote:
 >>
 >> Hmmm, I’m afraid that since you need CAS for a safe 1->FR transition,
 >> it will result in a CAS loop for the decrement itself (like in
 >> atomic_sub_unless). And this will introduce scalability issues just like
 >> in folio_try_get(), but this time for everyone...
 >
 > Note that we could make that CAS case be the thing that only the
 > special cases do.
 >
 > IOW, maybe only do that slow sequence in compaction_free() and the
 > memory offlining.
 >
 > So we'd have two different cases:
 >
 >   - the high-performance case is ready and willing to accept the "sees
 > zero" window and the extra 0->FR state that can race with somebody
 > else taking an optimistic ref
 >
 >   - the unusual slow cases that are *not* willing to deal with
 > optimistic ref takers do the "CAS 1 -> FR" state atomically and always
 > use compare-and-exchange for their freeing path
 >
 > That actually sounds like a good approach to me.

Cool idea, thanks!

This, however, will still require converting all page_frag_free()
callers to use the generic dispatching dtor (which is __folio_put()
for now), right?

---

Beyond that, I see two trade-offs with my patchset. Neither seems
important for the current kernel code, but I'd like to outline them
anyway.

1. We lose the "high-performance + custom deallocation" scenario

For example, in cases where the current refcount allows you to write
the following:

if (!put_page_testzero()) {
   /* We failed to steal the last refcount. However, our refcount is
    * already decremented, and therefore we can move forward -- the one
    * who stole our page will free it via the generic dispatching dtor.
    */
}

The proposed refcount impl will require either a slow decrement or a
proper (slow) deallocation when put_page_testzero() succeeds. So,
basically, the compaction_free() scenario but with a performance
requirement.

2. Page deallocation becomes unpredictable

With the current refcount impl, if you work with a page of "type X",
you can be sure that folio_put() will perform X-specific actions on
it, and you can make implicit assumptions based on that. This is no
longer true for fast decrements.

---
Ilya Gladyshev // foxido.dev

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-25 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-12 19:50 [PATCH v6 0/3] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-12 19:50 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] gve: reduce pagecnt_bias to USHRT_MAX Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-12 19:50 ` [PATCH v6 2/3] mm: drop page refcount zero state semantics Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-14  9:13   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-12 19:50 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] mm: implement page refcount locking via dedicated bit Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-14 10:39   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-15  2:42   ` Zi Yan
2026-09-23 17:34     ` Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-24 18:51       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-24 20:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-25  2:44           ` Zi Yan
2026-09-25  7:03             ` Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-25  7:06               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-25 19:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2026-09-25 22:46                 ` Ilya Gladyshev [this message]
2026-09-25  7:15             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-25 19:38   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-09-25 23:13     ` Ilya Gladyshev
2026-09-14  0:06 ` [PATCH v6 0/3] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Andrew Morton
2026-09-14  8:10   ` Ilya Gladyshev

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