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From: jerome lacoste <jerome.lacoste@gmail.com>
To: linux-os@analogic.com
Cc: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>, Pavel Roskin <proski@gnu.org>,
	Joseph Pingenot <trelane@digitasaru.net>,
	Patrick Mochel <mochel@digitalimplant.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@kroah.com>
Subject: Re: Please open sysfs symbols to proprietary modules
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:58:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5a2cf1f6050207105874260920@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502071122410.22503@chaos.analogic.com>

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:55:31 -0500 (EST), linux-os <linux-os@analogic.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, Chris Friesen wrote:
> 
> > Lee Revell wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 21:50 -0500, Kyle Moffett wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's not like somebody will have
> >>> some innate commercial advantage over you because they have your
> >>> driver source code.
> >>
> >>
> >> For a hardware vendor that's not a very compelling argument.  Especially
> >> compared to what their IP lawyers are telling them.
> >>
> >> Got anything to back it up?
> >
> > I have a friend who works for a company that does reverse-engineering of ICs.
> > Companies hire them to figure out how their competitor's chips work.  This is
> > the real threat to hardware manufacturers, not publishing the chip specs.
> >
> > Having driver code gives you the interface to the device.  That can be
> > reverse-engineered from watching bus traces or disassembling binary drivers
> > (which is how many linux drivers were originally written). Companies have
> > these kinds of resources.
> >
> > If you look at the big chip manufacturers (TI, Maxim, Analog Devices, etc.)
> > they publish specs on everything.  It would be nice if others did the same.
> >
> > Chris
> 
> I also have first-hand knowledge. Once there was a company called
> Data Precision. Just point your favorite search-engine to that
> name. They were a wholly owned subsidiary of Analogic. They
> no longer exist. Data Precision would take a year or more
> to develop a product. Six weeks after it was available on
> the market, it would have been cloned by Pacific-rim companies
> and dumped into the US at below US manufacturing cost.
> [..]

Shouldn't you be able to use legal action against companies that
provide such clones (at least in your country)? You could maybe even
sue the local resellers for participating to the fraud.

J

  reply	other threads:[~2005-02-07 18:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-02 22:56 Pavel Roskin
2005-02-02 23:07 ` Greg KH
2005-02-02 23:23 ` Patrick Mochel
2005-02-02 23:29   ` Greg KH
2005-02-03  0:07     ` Pavel Roskin
2005-02-03  0:30       ` Greg KH
2005-02-03  4:54         ` Zan Lynx
2005-02-03  5:07           ` Greg KH
2005-02-03  8:59           ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-03 15:12           ` Alan Cox
2005-02-03 17:26             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-03 13:47         ` linux-os
2005-02-04 16:05       ` David Woodhouse
2005-02-03  0:09 ` Joseph Pingenot
2005-02-03  1:13   ` Pavel Roskin
2005-02-03  2:50     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-02-03  3:17       ` Jon Masters
2005-02-06  7:24       ` Lee Revell
2005-02-07 16:05         ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-07 16:55           ` linux-os
2005-02-07 18:58             ` jerome lacoste [this message]
2005-02-07 19:35               ` linux-os
2005-02-07 16:55           ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-02-08  1:40             ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-03  4:57     ` Greg KH
2005-02-03  8:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-02-03 21:00 ` Ben Greear
2005-02-04  9:20 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-04  9:40   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-02-15  1:41   ` Alan Cox
2005-02-03  4:08 Jonathan A. George
2005-02-03  5:07 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-02-03 12:30 Jonathan A. George
2005-02-04 15:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-02-17 23:13 parker
2005-02-18  3:32 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-18 13:13 ` Arjan van de Ven

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