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From: John Alvord <jalvo@mbay.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: VM-related Oops: 2.4.15pre1
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:52:00 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5m6jvtklnobls7jbufe9oioja0kc88jg3c@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E165lSM-000666-00@the-village.bc.nu> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111190833440.8103-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111190833440.8103-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:39:29 -0800 (PST), Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@transmeta.com> wrote:

>
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Alan Cox wrote:
>>
>> You can in theory get even stranger effects. Consider
>>
>> 	if(!(flag&4))
>> 	{
>> 		blahblah++;
>> 		flag|=4;
>> 	}
>>
>> The compiler is completely at liberty to turn that into
>>
>> 	test bit 2
>> 	jz 1f
>> 	inc blahblah
>> 	add #4, flag
>> 1f:
>
>That's fine - if you have two threads modifying the same variable at the
>same time, you need to lock it.
>
>That's not the case under discussion.
>
>The case under discussion is gcc writing back values to a variable that
>NEVER HAD ANY VALIDITY, even in the single-threaded case. And it _is_
>single-threaded at that point, you only have other users that test the
>value, not change it.
>
>That's not an optimization, that's just plain broken. It breaks even
>user-level applications that use sigatomic_t.
>
>And note how gcc doesn't actually do it. I'm not saying that gcc is broken
>- I' saying that gcc is NOT broken, and we depend on it being not broken.

Imagine if the storage address involved was an I/O register which was
memory mapped. An arbitrary storage of data might have disasterous
effects.

john alvord

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-11-19 23:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-16 22:23 Simon Kirby
2001-11-17 22:53 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2001-11-18  3:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-18  4:10   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-18  6:24     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-18  6:37       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-18  7:31         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-18 12:05           ` Alan Cox
2001-11-19  2:02             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19  2:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 18:40                 ` kuznet
2001-11-19 10:15               ` Alan Cox
2001-11-19 16:39                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 18:03                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-19 19:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 23:52                   ` John Alvord [this message]
2001-11-21  2:31               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]         ` <200111180731.fAI7VFa01371@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-11-18  7:51           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-18 17:10       ` Horst von Brand
2001-11-19  2:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19  3:22           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-11-19  8:44           ` David Woodhouse
2001-11-19 16:57             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 17:56               ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-19 18:03                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 18:31                   ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-19 20:01                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-19 21:26                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 21:49                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 22:40                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 22:59                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 23:03                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-20  0:06                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-20  0:08                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-20  0:27                                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 23:27                   ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-19 23:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 23:52                       ` Simon Kirby

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