From: John Alvord <jalvo@mbay.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: VM-related Oops: 2.4.15pre1
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:52:00 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5m6jvtklnobls7jbufe9oioja0kc88jg3c@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E165lSM-000666-00@the-village.bc.nu> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111190833440.8103-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111190833440.8103-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:39:29 -0800 (PST), Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@transmeta.com> wrote:
>
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Alan Cox wrote:
>>
>> You can in theory get even stranger effects. Consider
>>
>> if(!(flag&4))
>> {
>> blahblah++;
>> flag|=4;
>> }
>>
>> The compiler is completely at liberty to turn that into
>>
>> test bit 2
>> jz 1f
>> inc blahblah
>> add #4, flag
>> 1f:
>
>That's fine - if you have two threads modifying the same variable at the
>same time, you need to lock it.
>
>That's not the case under discussion.
>
>The case under discussion is gcc writing back values to a variable that
>NEVER HAD ANY VALIDITY, even in the single-threaded case. And it _is_
>single-threaded at that point, you only have other users that test the
>value, not change it.
>
>That's not an optimization, that's just plain broken. It breaks even
>user-level applications that use sigatomic_t.
>
>And note how gcc doesn't actually do it. I'm not saying that gcc is broken
>- I' saying that gcc is NOT broken, and we depend on it being not broken.
Imagine if the storage address involved was an I/O register which was
memory mapped. An arbitrary storage of data might have disasterous
effects.
john alvord
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-11-19 23:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-11-16 22:23 Simon Kirby
2001-11-17 22:53 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2001-11-18 3:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-18 4:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-18 6:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-18 6:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-18 7:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-18 12:05 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-19 2:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 2:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 18:40 ` kuznet
2001-11-19 10:15 ` Alan Cox
2001-11-19 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 18:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-11-19 19:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 23:52 ` John Alvord [this message]
2001-11-21 2:31 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <200111180731.fAI7VFa01371@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-11-18 7:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-11-18 17:10 ` Horst von Brand
2001-11-19 2:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 3:22 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-11-19 8:44 ` David Woodhouse
2001-11-19 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 17:56 ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-19 18:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 18:31 ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-19 20:01 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-11-19 21:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 21:49 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 22:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 22:59 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 23:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-20 0:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-20 0:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-20 0:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-19 23:27 ` Simon Kirby
2001-11-19 23:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-11-19 23:52 ` Simon Kirby
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=5m6jvtklnobls7jbufe9oioja0kc88jg3c@4ax.com \
--to=jalvo@mbay.net \
--cc=alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=torvalds@transmeta.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox
all inboxes | Powered by JetHome®