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From: Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>, Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, tj@kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, mhocko@kernel.org, mkoutny@suse.com,
	chengming.zhou@linux.dev, muchun.song@linux.dev,
	roman.gushchin@linux.dev, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Hao Jia <jiahao1@lixiang.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/4] mm/zswap: Implement proactive writeback
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2026 19:22:36 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6deeaea7-3cd1-4403-29fc-d2dc55c297f8@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aho_VtLCmIRsNyvO@google.com>



On 2026/5/30 09:40, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> On Fri, May 29, 2026 at 12:58:09PM -0700, Nhat Pham wrote:
>> On Tue, May 26, 2026 at 4:46 AM Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Hao Jia <jiahao1@lixiang.com>
>>>
>>> Zswap currently writes back pages to backing swap reactively, triggered
>>> either by the shrinker or when the pool reaches its size limit. There is
>>> no mechanism to control the amount of writeback for a specific memory
>>> cgroup. However, users may want to proactively write back zswap pages,
>>> e.g., to free up memory for other applications or to prepare for
>>> memory-intensive workloads.
>>>
>>> Introduce a "zswap_writeback_only" key to the memory.reclaim cgroup
>>> interface. When specified, this key bypasses standard memory reclaim
>>> and exclusively performs proactive zswap writeback up to the requested
>>> budget. If omitted, the default reclaim behavior remains unchanged.
>>>
>>> Example usage:
>>>    # Write back 100MB of pages from zswap to the backing swap
>>>    echo "100M zswap_writeback_only" > memory.reclaim
>>
>> Hmmm, so this 100MB is the pre-compression size? i.e if this 100 MB
>> compresses to 25 MB, then you're only freeing 25 MB?
>>
>> I'm ok-ish with this, but can you document it?
> 
> That's a good point. I think pre-compressed size doesn't make sense to
> be honest. We should care about how much memory we are actually trying
> to save by doing writeback here.
> 
> The pre-compressed size is only useful in determining the blast radius,
> how many actual pages are going to have slower page faults now. But
> then, I don't think there's a reasonable way for userspace to decide
> that.
> 
> I understand passing in the compressed size is tricky because we need to
> keep track of the size of the compressed pages we end up writing back,
> but it should be doable.

Agreed. Using pre-compressed size is probably easier to implement. IIRC, 
interfaces like ZRAM writeback_limit are also calculated using the 
pre-compressed size.

I'll clarify this in the documentation in the next version.

> 
> If we really want pre-compressed size here, then yes we need to make it
> very clear, and I vote that we use a separate interface in this case
> because memory.reclaim having different meanings for the amount of
> memory written to it is extremely counter-intuitive.
> 
Agree. This would indeed break the semantics of memory.reclaim. I will 
use a separate interface for proactive writeback in the next version.

Thanks,
Hao
>>
>> The rest seems solid to me, FWIW. I'll defer to Johannes and Yosry for
>> opinions on zswap-only proactive reclaim.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-03 11:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-26 11:45 [PATCH v3 0/4] mm/zswap: Implement per-cgroup " Hao Jia
2026-05-26 11:45 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] mm/zswap: Make shrink_worker writeback cursor per-memcg Hao Jia
2026-05-29 19:51   ` Nhat Pham
2026-05-30  1:24   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-01 11:07     ` Hao Jia
2026-06-01 16:44       ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-01 16:47         ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-01 17:08       ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-02 11:32         ` Hao Jia
2026-06-02  0:31       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-02 11:33         ` Hao Jia
2026-06-02 23:19           ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03  3:02             ` Hao Jia
2026-06-03 17:53               ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04  1:58                 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-04  5:34                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04 13:06                     ` Hao Jia
2026-06-04 16:10                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04 17:23                       ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-08 12:50                         ` Hao Jia
2026-06-08 16:23                           ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-08 16:44                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-08 16:48                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-08 18:01                               ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-09  3:18                                 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-11 17:39                                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-12 16:40                                     ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-12 18:15                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-15  2:45                                         ` Hao Jia
2026-05-26 11:45 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm/zswap: Implement proactive writeback Hao Jia
2026-05-29 19:58   ` Nhat Pham
2026-05-30  1:40     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 11:22       ` Hao Jia [this message]
2026-06-03 17:58         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:14           ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-04  2:11             ` Hao Jia
2026-06-04  5:36               ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04 14:01                 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 18:30                 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 19:50                   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 20:19                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-08 22:22                       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 22:27                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-09  4:19                           ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-11 17:45                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-11 19:12                               ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-12  7:27                                 ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-12 17:02                                   ` [swap tier discussion] " Shakeel Butt
2026-06-12 21:31                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-14  9:23                                     ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-15 19:55                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-16  1:03                                         ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-16  3:08                                           ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-16 17:30                                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-16 18:32                                               ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-16 19:54                                                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-16 20:08                                                   ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-16 20:10                                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-16 20:24                                                       ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-16 20:26                                                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-17 17:11                                                           ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-16 11:44                                           ` Shakeel Butt
2026-05-30  1:37   ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 11:27     ` Hao Jia
2026-06-03 17:55       ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:23       ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 18:26         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:34           ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 18:43             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:51               ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 18:54                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-05-26 11:46 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] mm/zswap: Add per-memcg stat for " Hao Jia
2026-05-29 20:01   ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 11:29     ` Hao Jia
2026-05-26 11:46 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] selftests/cgroup: Add tests for zswap " Hao Jia
2026-05-29 20:02   ` Nhat Pham

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