From: Hao Jia <jiahao.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, tj@kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
shakeel.butt@linux.dev, mhocko@kernel.org, mkoutny@suse.com,
nphamcs@gmail.com, chengming.zhou@linux.dev,
muchun.song@linux.dev, roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
Hao Jia <jiahao1@lixiang.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] mm/zswap: Make shrink_worker writeback cursor per-memcg
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2026 21:06:43 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a60eedb6-f3fd-4092-b726-04a17a695ace@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAO9r8zPBH6-0SQ6-_ZOhTQeyu=rz4F=ugikCrU-JR_skm6fEWA@mail.gmail.com>
On 2026/6/4 13:34, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
>>>> For instance, suppose a parent memcg has two children, memcg1 and memcg2,
>>>> each with 200MB of zswap (100MB inactive). Triggering proactive writeback on
>>>> the parent memcg will exhaust memcg1's inactive zswap pages. After that,
>>>> even though memcg2 still has plenty of inactive zswap pages, it will
>>>> continue to write back memcg1's active zswap pages. Writing back active
>>>> zswap pages causes the user-space agent to prematurely abort the writeback
>>>> because it detects that certain memcg metrics have exceeded predefined
>>>> thresholds.
>>>
>>> This will only happen if the reclaim size is smaller than the batch
>>> size, right? Otherwise the kernel should reclaim more or less equally
>>> from both memcgs?
>>>
>>
>> I gave it some thought. Not using a cursor could lead to unfairness
>> issues with certain writeback sizes:
>>
>> - If the writeback size is an odd multiple of WB_BATCH (e.g.,
>> triggering a writeback of 3 * WB_BATCH), with 2 child cgroups, the
>> writeback ratio might end up being 2:1.
>> - If a memcg has 5 child cgroups and a writeback of 2 * WB_BATCH is
>> triggered, it might repeatedly write back from only the first 2 child
>> cgroups.
>>
>> Although setting a smaller WB_BATCH might mitigate this unfairness, it
>> could hurt writeback efficiency. Let's just use per-memcg cursors to
>> completely fix these corner cases.
>
> Exactly, the batch size should be small enough that any unfairness is
> not a problem. I would honestly just do batching without a per-memcg
> cursor, unless we have numbers to prove that the efficiency is
> affected when we use a small batch size. Let's only introduce
> complexity when needed please.
If you prefer not to use per-cgroup cursors, do we still need to keep
the global cursor (i.e., the root cgroup's cursor) zswap_next_shrink?
I found this part to be quite tricky when trying to reuse the main logic
of shrink_worker() in zswap_proactive_writeback().
Of course, I think we could also keep zswap_next_shrink and write a
small helper to check if it's the root cgroup, allowing us to use
different memcg iteration methods.
Thanks,
Hao
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-04 13:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-26 11:45 [PATCH v3 0/4] mm/zswap: Implement per-cgroup proactive writeback Hao Jia
2026-05-26 11:45 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] mm/zswap: Make shrink_worker writeback cursor per-memcg Hao Jia
2026-05-29 19:51 ` Nhat Pham
2026-05-30 1:24 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-01 11:07 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-01 16:44 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-01 16:47 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-01 17:08 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-02 11:32 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-02 0:31 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-02 11:33 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-02 23:19 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 3:02 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-03 17:53 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04 1:58 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-04 5:34 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04 13:06 ` Hao Jia [this message]
2026-06-04 16:10 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04 17:23 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-08 12:50 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-08 16:23 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-08 16:44 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-08 16:48 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-08 18:01 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-09 3:18 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-11 17:39 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-12 16:40 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-12 18:15 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-15 2:45 ` Hao Jia
2026-05-26 11:45 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm/zswap: Implement proactive writeback Hao Jia
2026-05-29 19:58 ` Nhat Pham
2026-05-30 1:40 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 11:22 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-03 17:58 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:14 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-04 2:11 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-04 5:36 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-04 14:01 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 18:30 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 19:50 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 20:19 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-08 22:22 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 22:27 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-09 4:19 ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-11 17:45 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-11 19:12 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-12 7:27 ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-12 17:02 ` [swap tier discussion] " Shakeel Butt
2026-06-12 21:31 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-14 9:23 ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-15 19:55 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-16 1:03 ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-16 3:08 ` YoungJun Park
2026-06-16 17:30 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-16 18:32 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-16 19:54 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-16 20:08 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-16 20:10 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-16 20:24 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-16 20:26 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-17 17:11 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-16 11:44 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-05-30 1:37 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 11:27 ` Hao Jia
2026-06-03 17:55 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:23 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 18:26 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:34 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 18:43 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-06-03 18:51 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 18:54 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-05-26 11:46 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] mm/zswap: Add per-memcg stat for " Hao Jia
2026-05-29 20:01 ` Nhat Pham
2026-06-03 11:29 ` Hao Jia
2026-05-26 11:46 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] selftests/cgroup: Add tests for zswap " Hao Jia
2026-05-29 20:02 ` Nhat Pham
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