From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>
Cc: Vivek Gautam <vivek.gautam@codeaurora.org>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 6/6] drm/msm: iommu: Replace runtime calls with runtime suppliers
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:14:45 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7406f1ce-c2c9-a6bd-2886-5a34de45add6@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAFQd5A9B-di9svtiJbvk2hz1U1xo61rTY5vt6AD+KR5iMcG-A@mail.gmail.com>
On 15/02/18 04:17, Tomasz Figa wrote:
[...]
>> Could you elaborate on what kind of locking you are concerned about?
>> As I explained before, the normally happening fast path would lock
>> dev->power_lock only for the brief moment of incrementing the runtime
>> PM usage counter.
>
> My bad, that's not even it.
>
> The atomic usage counter is incremented beforehands, without any
> locking [1] and the spinlock is acquired only for the sake of
> validating that device's runtime PM state remained valid indeed [2],
> which would be the case in the fast path of the same driver doing two
> mappings in parallel, with the master powered on (and so the SMMU,
> through device links; if master was not powered on already, powering
> on the SMMU is unavoidable anyway and it would add much more latency
> than the spinlock itself).
We now have no locking at all in the map path, and only a per-domain
lock around TLB sync in unmap which is unfortunately necessary for
correctness; the latter isn't too terrible, since in "serious" hardware
it should only be serialising a few cpus serving the same device against
each other (e.g. for multiple queues on a single NIC).
Putting in a global lock which serialises *all* concurrent map and unmap
calls for *all* unrelated devices makes things worse. Period. Even if
the lock itself were held for the minimum possible time, i.e. trivially
"spin_lock(&lock); spin_unlock(&lock)", the cost of repeatedly bouncing
that one cache line around between 96 CPUs across two sockets is not
negligible.
> [1] http://elixir.free-electrons.com/linux/v4.16-rc1/source/drivers/base/power/runtime.c#L1028
> [2] http://elixir.free-electrons.com/linux/v4.16-rc1/source/drivers/base/power/runtime.c#L613
>
> In any case, I can't imagine this working with V4L2 or anything else
> relying on any memory management more generic than calling IOMMU API
> directly from the driver, with the IOMMU device having runtime PM
> enabled, but without managing the runtime PM from the IOMMU driver's
> callbacks that need access to the hardware. As I mentioned before,
> only the IOMMU driver knows when exactly the real hardware access
> needs to be done (e.g. Rockchip/Exynos don't need to do that for
> map/unmap if the power is down, but some implementations of SMMU with
> TLB powered separately might need to do so).
It's worth noting that Exynos and Rockchip are relatively small
self-contained IP blocks integrated closely with the interfaces of their
relevant master devices; SMMU is an architecture, implementations of
which may be large, distributed, and have complex and wildly differing
internal topologies. As such, it's a lot harder to make
hardware-specific assumptions and/or be correct for all possible cases.
Don't get me wrong, I do ultimately agree that the IOMMU driver is the
only agent who ultimately knows what calls are going to be necessary for
whatever operation it's performing on its own hardware*; it's just that
for SMMU it needs to be implemented in a way that has zero impact on the
cases where it doesn't matter, because it's not viable to specialise
that driver for any particular IP implementation/use-case.
Robin.
*AFAICS it still makes some sense to have the get_suppliers option as
well, though - the IOMMU driver does what it needs for correctness
internally, but the external consumer doing something non-standard can
can grab and hold the link around multiple calls to short-circuit that.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-02-15 17:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-07 10:31 [PATCH v7 0/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add runtime pm/sleep support Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] base: power: runtime: Export pm_runtime_get/put_suppliers Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13 7:44 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 12:00 ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-13 12:54 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 13:37 ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add pm_runtime/sleep ops Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13 8:03 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 10:25 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14 3:45 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Invoke pm_runtime during probe, add/remove device Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13 8:24 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 12:57 ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-13 13:52 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14 8:24 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14 8:28 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-22 23:52 ` Jordan Crouse
2018-02-23 10:36 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-23 15:40 ` [Freedreno] " Jordan Crouse
2018-02-23 17:43 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 4/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add the device_link between masters and smmu Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13 8:31 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 10:14 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 5/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add support for qcom,smmu-v2 variant Vivek Gautam
2018-02-09 10:57 ` [PATCH v8 " Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13 8:57 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 6/6] drm/msm: iommu: Replace runtime calls with runtime suppliers Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13 9:10 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 16:42 ` Jordan Crouse
2018-02-14 3:31 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14 15:48 ` Jordan Crouse
2018-02-14 16:12 ` [Freedreno] " Rob Clark
2018-02-15 4:09 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-15 14:14 ` Rob Clark
2018-02-13 18:03 ` Rob Clark
2018-02-14 1:59 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14 2:13 ` Rob Clark
2018-02-14 3:01 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14 4:17 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14 5:38 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14 9:13 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14 9:16 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14 10:33 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14 16:03 ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-15 3:17 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-15 4:17 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-15 17:14 ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2018-02-16 0:13 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-22 8:13 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-22 13:30 ` [Freedreno] " Rob Clark
2018-02-22 13:45 ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-22 14:12 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-22 17:24 ` Vivek Gautam
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