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From: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
To: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>
Cc: Vivek Gautam <vivek.gautam@codeaurora.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>,
	"list@263.net:IOMMU DRIVERS" <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	freedreno <freedreno@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	jcrouse@codeaurora.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 6/6] drm/msm: iommu: Replace runtime calls with runtime suppliers
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:14:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7406f1ce-c2c9-a6bd-2886-5a34de45add6@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAFQd5A9B-di9svtiJbvk2hz1U1xo61rTY5vt6AD+KR5iMcG-A@mail.gmail.com>

On 15/02/18 04:17, Tomasz Figa wrote:
[...]
>> Could you elaborate on what kind of locking you are concerned about?
>> As I explained before, the normally happening fast path would lock
>> dev->power_lock only for the brief moment of incrementing the runtime
>> PM usage counter.
> 
> My bad, that's not even it.
> 
> The atomic usage counter is incremented beforehands, without any
> locking [1] and the spinlock is acquired only for the sake of
> validating that device's runtime PM state remained valid indeed [2],
> which would be the case in the fast path of the same driver doing two
> mappings in parallel, with the master powered on (and so the SMMU,
> through device links; if master was not powered on already, powering
> on the SMMU is unavoidable anyway and it would add much more latency
> than the spinlock itself).

We now have no locking at all in the map path, and only a per-domain 
lock around TLB sync in unmap which is unfortunately necessary for 
correctness; the latter isn't too terrible, since in "serious" hardware 
it should only be serialising a few cpus serving the same device against 
each other (e.g. for multiple queues on a single NIC).

Putting in a global lock which serialises *all* concurrent map and unmap 
calls for *all* unrelated devices makes things worse. Period. Even if 
the lock itself were held for the minimum possible time, i.e. trivially 
"spin_lock(&lock); spin_unlock(&lock)", the cost of repeatedly bouncing 
that one cache line around between 96 CPUs across two sockets is not 
negligible.

> [1] http://elixir.free-electrons.com/linux/v4.16-rc1/source/drivers/base/power/runtime.c#L1028
> [2] http://elixir.free-electrons.com/linux/v4.16-rc1/source/drivers/base/power/runtime.c#L613
> 
> In any case, I can't imagine this working with V4L2 or anything else
> relying on any memory management more generic than calling IOMMU API
> directly from the driver, with the IOMMU device having runtime PM
> enabled, but without managing the runtime PM from the IOMMU driver's
> callbacks that need access to the hardware. As I mentioned before,
> only the IOMMU driver knows when exactly the real hardware access
> needs to be done (e.g. Rockchip/Exynos don't need to do that for
> map/unmap if the power is down, but some implementations of SMMU with
> TLB powered separately might need to do so).

It's worth noting that Exynos and Rockchip are relatively small 
self-contained IP blocks integrated closely with the interfaces of their 
relevant master devices; SMMU is an architecture, implementations of 
which may be large, distributed, and have complex and wildly differing 
internal topologies. As such, it's a lot harder to make 
hardware-specific assumptions and/or be correct for all possible cases.

Don't get me wrong, I do ultimately agree that the IOMMU driver is the 
only agent who ultimately knows what calls are going to be necessary for 
whatever operation it's performing on its own hardware*; it's just that 
for SMMU it needs to be implemented in a way that has zero impact on the 
cases where it doesn't matter, because it's not viable to specialise 
that driver for any particular IP implementation/use-case.

Robin.


*AFAICS it still makes some sense to have the get_suppliers option as 
well, though - the IOMMU driver does what it needs for correctness 
internally, but the external consumer doing something non-standard can 
can grab and hold the link around multiple calls to short-circuit that.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-15 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-07 10:31 [PATCH v7 0/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add runtime pm/sleep support Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] base: power: runtime: Export pm_runtime_get/put_suppliers Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  7:44   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 12:00     ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-13 12:54       ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 13:37         ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add pm_runtime/sleep ops Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  8:03   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 10:25     ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14  3:45       ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Invoke pm_runtime during probe, add/remove device Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  8:24   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 12:57     ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-13 13:52       ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14  8:24         ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14  8:28     ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-22 23:52   ` Jordan Crouse
2018-02-23 10:36     ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-23 15:40       ` [Freedreno] " Jordan Crouse
2018-02-23 17:43         ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 4/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add the device_link between masters and smmu Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  8:31   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 10:14     ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 5/6] iommu/arm-smmu: Add support for qcom,smmu-v2 variant Vivek Gautam
2018-02-09 10:57   ` [PATCH v8 " Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  8:57     ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-07 10:31 ` [PATCH v7 6/6] drm/msm: iommu: Replace runtime calls with runtime suppliers Vivek Gautam
2018-02-13  9:10   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-13 16:42     ` Jordan Crouse
2018-02-14  3:31       ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14 15:48         ` Jordan Crouse
2018-02-14 16:12           ` [Freedreno] " Rob Clark
2018-02-15  4:09             ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-15 14:14               ` Rob Clark
2018-02-13 18:03     ` Rob Clark
2018-02-14  1:59       ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14  2:13         ` Rob Clark
2018-02-14  3:01           ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14  4:17             ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14  5:38               ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14  9:13                 ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14  9:16                   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-14 10:33                     ` Vivek Gautam
2018-02-14 16:03                       ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-15  3:17                         ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-15  4:17                           ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-15 17:14                             ` Robin Murphy [this message]
2018-02-16  0:13                               ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-22  8:13                                 ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-22 13:30                                   ` [Freedreno] " Rob Clark
2018-02-22 13:45                                 ` Robin Murphy
2018-02-22 14:12                                   ` Tomasz Figa
2018-02-22 17:24                                     ` Vivek Gautam

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