From: Marc Boucher <marc@linuxant.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Cc: Tim Connors <tconnors+linuxkernel1083378452@astro.swin.edu.au>,
"'lkml - Kernel Mailing List'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license
Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 15:12:18 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <772768DC-9BA3-11D8-B83D-000A95BCAC26@linuxant.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6900000.1083388078@[10.10.2.4]>
On May 1, 2004, at 1:07 AM, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
>> All bugs can be debugged or fixed, it's a matter of how hard it is
>> to do (generally easier with open-source) and *who* is responsible
>> for doing it (i.e. supporting the modules).
>
> Yes, exactly. The tainted mechanism is there to tell us that it's not
> *our* problem to support it. And you deliberately screwed that up,
> which is why everybody is pissed at you.
It was already screwed up, and causing unnecessary support burdens
both on the community ("help! what does tainted mean") and vendors.
This thread and previous ones have shown ample evidence of that.
Let's deal with the root problem and fix the messages, as Rik van Riel
has suggested.
Most third-party module suppliers have been confronted with the same
issue
and forced to work around it (in other imperfect and sometimes clumsy
ways).
One of them redirects the messages to a separate file and appends
the following notice:
> ********************************************************************
> * You can safely ignore the above message about tainting the kernel.
> * It is completely political and means just that the maintainers of
> * of modutils package dislike software that is not distributed under
> * an open source license.
> ********************************************************************
On Apr 30, 2004, at 10:36 PM, Tim Connors wrote:
>
> What's wrong with the printk setting workaround? Simply write a number
> to the appropriate file before you load the modules.
>
> I just tried googling for the relevant post, but failed...
>
> He doesn't need to wait for the patches to propogate. He can act on
> his own scripts immediately in readiness for the next version.
>
> Easy.
Not. We don't use a script to systematically load the modules,
because they are large and not always required, nor want to
interfere with the system's normal logging.
Manipulating printk settings or redirecting the superfluous
messages elsewhere are also ugly hacks, which can
potentially also divert/hide important messages.
Marc
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[not found] ` <40929F5B.9090603@techsource.com>
2004-04-30 18:58 ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:14 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 19:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 19:37 ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 22:47 ` Allowing only "-g" compiled modules! (was: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license) Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 20:11 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:39 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:53 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 21:10 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:46 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 20:34 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-04-30 20:47 ` A compromise that could have been reached. " Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:07 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:16 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30 21:38 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 22:05 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 2:36 ` Tim Connors
2004-05-01 0:40 ` Jorge Bernal
2004-05-01 5:07 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 19:12 ` Marc Boucher [this message]
2004-05-01 19:27 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-01 19:32 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-05-01 19:33 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:14 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-05-01 19:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2004-05-01 20:53 ` [PATCH] clarify message and give support contact for non-GPL modules Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 21:34 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 21:48 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 21:53 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:22 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:53 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 23:10 ` viro
2004-05-02 7:04 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-05-04 17:06 ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-01 22:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-01 23:28 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-02 1:02 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02 12:43 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-02 13:05 ` Paul Rolland
2004-05-02 15:35 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02 15:45 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-04 17:09 ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-01 20:47 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 20:58 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-03 0:04 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-30 20:02 Keith D Burgess Jr
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2004-04-30 17:47 Keith D Burgess Jr
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2004-04-30 19:37 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-30 20:37 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 14:55 Rick Zeman
2004-04-28 18:56 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-28 23:45 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 22:48 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] <20040428011348.GA22754@hockin.org>
2004-04-28 1:33 ` Robert M. Stockmann
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[not found] <20040428000952.GA19522@hockin.org>
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2004-04-27 23:41 ` Tim Hockin
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2004-04-27 22:17 Nick Warne
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2004-04-27 19:03 Steve Lee
2004-04-27 19:37 ` Tigran Aivazian
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2004-04-27 16:18 ` Jon
2004-04-27 16:58 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:25 ` Adam Jaskiewicz
2004-04-27 17:33 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:46 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 17:53 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:10 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:37 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-27 20:44 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
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2004-04-27 19:16 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 19:41 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 20:18 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 11:23 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 18:10 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 18:30 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:40 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 0:08 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 19:54 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-28 11:28 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 23:12 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28 0:02 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 0:25 ` David Gibson
2004-04-28 1:14 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 3:23 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 6:04 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 17:05 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 17:37 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:31 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:46 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 0:02 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 0:40 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 2:20 ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 2:31 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 2:36 ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29 2:38 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 2:47 ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29 2:47 ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 22:47 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 15:57 ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-29 15:15 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 15:14 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 21:00 ` Paul Wagland
2004-04-29 21:36 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:45 ` viro
2004-04-29 21:47 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-29 22:24 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:32 ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-29 22:49 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:40 ` viro
2004-04-29 23:55 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 2:15 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 4:18 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 4:32 ` Peter Williams
2004-04-30 14:49 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 16:10 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:01 ` Jesse Pollard
2004-04-30 4:43 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 5:44 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 6:13 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 8:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30 8:48 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 15:06 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-30 15:43 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-30 16:10 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 16:30 ` Chris Friesen
2004-05-10 6:25 ` Rogier Wolff
2004-05-10 7:08 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-30 16:31 ` Gilles May
2004-04-30 16:50 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:44 ` Michael Poole
2004-04-30 18:46 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 19:17 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:26 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:52 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 18:22 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:01 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 8:47 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 9:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 15:57 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 17:14 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:46 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 18:27 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 11:49 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-30 16:20 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:03 ` Gene Heskett
2004-04-29 20:24 ` [hsflinux] " Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:32 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:12 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:20 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 23:01 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 6:01 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-06 15:06 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-30 9:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 23:43 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-28 1:57 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28 3:28 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 11:47 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 16:15 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:32 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:41 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:41 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29 23:03 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 13:06 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 14:03 ` Tom Sightler
2004-04-28 16:40 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 22:08 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-04-28 23:00 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 23:54 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 23:17 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-28 2:10 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-27 2:09 Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 3:13 ` Gilles May
2004-04-27 4:42 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-04-27 9:58 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 4:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-27 6:04 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-27 9:21 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 10:37 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 12:59 ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-27 17:05 ` Juergen E. Fischer
2004-04-27 18:58 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-28 22:55 ` Timothy Miller
[not found] ` <fa.f05evul.1qmg8gd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-04-27 21:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2004-04-27 21:33 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 23:24 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 18:52 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-27 5:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-04-27 7:03 ` Grzegorz Piotr Jaskiewicz
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