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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Marc Boucher <marc@linuxant.com>
Cc: "'Sean Estabrooks'" <seanlkml@rogers.com>,
	"'Paul Wagland'" <paul@wagland.net>,
	"'Rik van Riel'" <riel@redhat.com>,
	"'Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz'" <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>,
	"'Peter Williams'" <peterw@aurema.com>,
	Hua Zhong <hzhong@cisco.com>,
	"'Timothy Miller'" <miller@techsource.com>,
	"'lkml - Kernel Mailing List'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	koke@sindominio.net, "'Rusty Russell'" <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	"'David Gibson'" <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:26:22 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404301319020.18014@ppc970.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <90DD8A88-9AE2-11D8-B83D-000A95BCAC26@linuxant.com>



On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Marc Boucher wrote:
>
> > In contrast, wine was _written_ to do this emulation, so by definition 
> > any
> > "bugs" are in wine itself (although I suspect that wine people 
> > sometimes
> > would prefer it if Office came with sources ;).
> 
> The same can be said about DriverLoader.

.. but not abotu the kernel that it depends on.

In other words, if driverloader was a stand-alone project, you could do 
whatever the hell you wanted with it.

But it isn't a standalone project, is it? It depends on the kernel, and 
there is no question that driverloader is a derived work.

Which means that you had better follow the rules.

So stop yer whining. When you write your own operating system, and your 
driver doesn't have to depend on anybody elses code, then you can set the 
rules. As it is, the kernel requires modules to tell it their license, and 
if you lie to it, that is not only potentially violating the DMCA, it's 
also likely a crime under regular copyright laws (ie you are knowingly 
misrepresenting a license - in this case the license of the binary part, 
and that's not legal either).

> The purpose of the workaround is not to circumvent any protection, but 
> to fix a real usability issue for systems in the field, which, as an 
> expert you perhaps do not see, but users definitely massively felt and 
> complained about.

Oh, so it's ok to do something illegal, because it helps usability? And 
ethics take second place to "the user doesn't want to see that line in the 
logs"?

Sure, that's a good argument. NOT.

GET RID OF YOUR LYING LICENSE LINE!

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-30 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <009701c42edf$25e47390$ca41cb3f@amer.cisco.com>
     [not found] ` <40929F5B.9090603@techsource.com>
2004-04-30 18:58   ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:14   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 19:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 19:37   ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 22:47     ` Allowing only "-g" compiled modules! (was: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license) Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 20:11   ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:26     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2004-04-30 20:39       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:53           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 21:10             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:46         ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 20:34     ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-04-30 20:47     ` A compromise that could have been reached. " Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:07       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:16         ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-30 21:38         ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 22:05           ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01  2:36           ` Tim Connors
2004-05-01  0:40     ` Jorge Bernal
2004-05-01  5:07     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 19:12       ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 19:27         ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-01 19:32         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-05-01 19:33         ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:14           ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-05-01 19:47         ` Nicolas Pitre
2004-05-01 20:53           ` [PATCH] clarify message and give support contact for non-GPL modules Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 21:34             ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 21:48               ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 21:53                 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:22                 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:53                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 23:10                     ` viro
2004-05-02  7:04                       ` Xavier Bestel
2004-05-04 17:06                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-01 22:48                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-01 23:28                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02  0:22                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-02  1:02                       ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02 12:43                         ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-02 13:05                           ` Paul Rolland
2004-05-02 15:35                             ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-02 15:45                               ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-04 17:09                     ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-01 20:47         ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 20:58           ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-03  0:04         ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-30 20:02 Keith D Burgess Jr
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-30 17:47 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-30 18:39 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 19:37 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-30 20:37 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 14:55 Rick Zeman
2004-04-28 18:56 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-28 23:45 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 22:48 ` David Woodhouse
     [not found] <20040428011348.GA22754@hockin.org>
2004-04-28  1:33 ` Robert M. Stockmann
     [not found] <20040428003034.GA20811@hockin.org>
2004-04-28  0:56 ` Robert M. Stockmann
     [not found] <20040428000952.GA19522@hockin.org>
2004-04-28  0:18 ` Robert M. Stockmann
     [not found] <878ygh147m.fsf@sanosuke.troilus.org>
2004-04-27 22:59 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:05   ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:30     ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:41       ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:59         ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01  9:19           ` Tomas Szepe
2004-04-27 22:17 Nick Warne
2004-04-27 21:34 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01  9:15 ` Tomas Szepe
2004-04-27 19:03 Steve Lee
2004-04-27 19:37 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-27 13:43 Albert Cahalan
2004-04-27 16:18 ` Jon
2004-04-27 16:58   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:25     ` Adam Jaskiewicz
2004-04-27 17:33       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:46         ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 17:53           ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:10             ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:37               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-27 20:44                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:54             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-27 19:03               ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 19:16                 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 19:41                   ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 20:18                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 11:23               ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 18:10           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 18:30             ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:40               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28  0:08               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 19:54         ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-28 11:28         ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 23:12     ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28  0:02       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28  0:25         ` David Gibson
2004-04-28  1:14           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28  3:23             ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28  6:04               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 17:05                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 17:37             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:31               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:46                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29  0:02                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  0:40                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29  2:20                     ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29  2:31                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29  2:36                     ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29  2:38                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29  2:47                         ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29  2:47                       ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 22:47                         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 15:57                     ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-29 15:15                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 15:14                     ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 21:00                       ` Paul Wagland
2004-04-29 21:36                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:45                           ` viro
2004-04-29 21:47                           ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-29 22:24                             ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:32                               ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-29 22:49                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:40                               ` viro
2004-04-29 23:55                               ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  2:15                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30  4:18                                   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30  4:32                                     ` Peter Williams
2004-04-30 14:49                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 16:10                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:01                                         ` Jesse Pollard
2004-04-30  4:43                                   ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  5:44                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30  6:13                                       ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30  8:04                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30  8:48                                         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 15:06                                         ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-30 15:43                                           ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-30 16:10                                             ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 16:30                                               ` Chris Friesen
2004-05-10  6:25                                                 ` Rogier Wolff
2004-05-10  7:08                                                   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-30 16:31                                               ` Gilles May
2004-04-30 16:50                                                 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:44                                                   ` Michael Poole
2004-04-30 18:46                                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 19:17                                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:26                                                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:52                                                     ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 18:22                                               ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:01                                           ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30  8:47                                       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30  9:31                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 15:57                                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 17:14                                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:46                                     ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 18:27                                       ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 11:49                           ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-30 16:20                             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:03                               ` Gene Heskett
2004-04-29 20:24                     ` [hsflinux] " Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:32                       ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:12                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:20                           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 23:01                             ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30  6:01                               ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-06 15:06                         ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-30  9:16                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 23:43             ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-28  1:57         ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28  3:28           ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 11:47             ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 16:15               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:32                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:41                   ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:41                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29 23:03                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 13:06                 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 14:03             ` Tom Sightler
2004-04-28 16:40               ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 22:08                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-04-28 23:00                   ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 23:54                 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 23:17     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-28  2:10     ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-27  2:09 Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27  3:13 ` Gilles May
2004-04-27  4:42   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-04-27  9:58     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27  4:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-27  6:04   ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-27  9:21     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 10:37       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 12:59         ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-27 17:05           ` Juergen E. Fischer
2004-04-27 18:58           ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-28 22:55             ` Timothy Miller
     [not found]           ` <fa.f05evul.1qmg8gd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-04-27 21:17             ` Junio C Hamano
2004-04-27 21:33               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 23:24           ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 18:52   ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-27  5:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-04-27  7:03   ` Grzegorz Piotr Jaskiewicz

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