From: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
H Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
Mathieu Poirier <mathieu.poirier@linaro.org>,
Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
Leo Yan <leo.yan@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 03/11] perf/x86: Add support for TSC in nanoseconds as a perf event clock
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 20:27:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <853ce127-25f0-d0fe-1d8f-0b0dd4f3ce71@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YiIXFmA4vpcTSk2L@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 04/03/2022 15:41, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 01:09:06PM +0200, Adrian Hunter wrote:
>> Currently, when Intel PT is used within a VM guest, it is not possible to
>> make use of TSC because perf clock is subject to paravirtualization.
>
> Yeah, so how much of that still makes sense, or ever did? AFAIK the
> whole pv_clock thing is utter crazy. Should we not fix that instead?
Presumably pv_clock must work with different host operating systems.
Similarly, KVM must work with different guest operating systems.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I imagine re-engineering time virtualization
might be a pretty big deal, far exceeding the scope of these patches.
While it is not something that I really need, it is also not obvious
that the virtualization people would see any benefit.
My primary goal is to be able to make a trace covering the host and
(Linux) guests. Intel PT can do that. It can trace straight through
VM-Entries/Exits, politely noting them on the way past. Perf tools
already supports decoding that, but only for tracing the kernel because
it needs more information (so-called side-band events) to decode guest
user space. The simplest way to get that is to run perf inside the
guests to capture the side-band events, and then inject them into the
host perf.data file during post processing. That, however, requires a
clock that works for both host and guests. TSC is suitable because
KVM largely leaves it alone, except for VMX TSC Offset and Scaling,
but that has to be dealt with anyway because it also affects the
Intel PT trace.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-04 18:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-14 11:09 [PATCH V2 00/11] perf intel-pt: Add perf event clocks to better support VM tracing Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 01/11] perf/x86: Fix native_perf_sched_clock_from_tsc() with __sched_clock_offset Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 02/11] perf/x86: Add support for TSC as a perf event clock Adrian Hunter
2022-03-04 12:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-04 13:03 ` Adrian Hunter
2022-03-04 12:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-04 17:51 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-04 12:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-04 12:41 ` Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 03/11] perf/x86: Add support for TSC in nanoseconds " Adrian Hunter
2022-03-04 13:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-04 18:27 ` Adrian Hunter [this message]
2022-03-07 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-07 10:06 ` Juergen Gross
2022-03-07 10:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-07 10:58 ` Juergen Gross
2022-03-07 12:36 ` Adrian Hunter
2022-03-07 14:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-03-08 14:23 ` Adrian Hunter
2022-03-08 21:06 ` Hall, Christopher S
2022-03-14 11:50 ` Adrian Hunter
2022-04-25 5:30 ` Adrian Hunter
2022-04-25 9:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-25 13:15 ` Adrian Hunter
2022-04-25 17:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-04-26 6:51 ` Adrian Hunter
2022-04-27 23:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-05-16 7:20 ` Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 04/11] perf tools: Add new perf clock IDs Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 05/11] perf tools: Add API probes for new " Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 06/11] perf tools: Add new clock IDs to "perf time to TSC" test Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 07/11] perf tools: Add perf_read_tsc_conv_for_clockid() Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 08/11] perf intel-pt: Add support for new clock IDs Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 09/11] perf intel-pt: Use CLOCK_PERF_HW_CLOCK_NS by default Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 10/11] perf intel-pt: Add config variables for timing parameters Adrian Hunter
2022-02-14 11:09 ` [PATCH V2 11/11] perf intel-pt: Add documentation for new clock IDs Adrian Hunter
2022-02-21 6:54 ` [PATCH V2 00/11] perf intel-pt: Add perf event clocks to better support VM tracing Adrian Hunter
2022-03-01 11:06 ` Adrian Hunter
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