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From: Harald Arnesen <gurre@start.no>
To: Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org>
Cc: Aaron Lehmann <aaronl@vitelus.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ssh primer (was Re: pull vs push (was Re: [bk patch] Make cardbus compile in -pre4))
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:00:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871yfogwgc.fsf@basilikum.skogtun.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E16ZhzF-0000ST-00@gondolin.me.apana.org.au> <3C65CBDE.A9B60BBD@mandrakesoft.com> <20020213171306.GA15924@vitelus.com> <20020214002205.VBHJ21911.femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>
In-Reply-To: <20020214002205.VBHJ21911.femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there> (Rob Landley's message of "Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:22:57 -0500")

Rob Landley <landley@trommello.org> writes:

> Not that it's worth it. Keys get exponentially more difficult to
> brute force as the key length increases. I read part of a book a
> long time ago (might have been called "applied cryptography") that
> figured out that if you could build a perfectly efficient computer
> that could do 1 bit's worth of calculation with the the amount of
> energy in the minimal electron state transition in a hydrogen atom,
> and you built a dyson sphere around the sun to capture its entire
> energy output for the however many billion years its expected to
> last, you wouldn't even brute-force exhaust a relatively small
> keyspace (128 bits? 256 bits? Something like that).
>
> Somebody else here is likely to recognize the above anecdote and give a more 
> accurate reference.  Book title and page number would be good...

Bruce Schneier's "Applied Cryptography" (second edition, may be in the
first edition as well), pages 157-158 ("Thermodynamic Limitations").
-- 
Hilsen Harald.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-02-14 11:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-02-09  2:25 [bk patch] Make cardbus compile in -pre4 Patrick Mochel
2002-02-09  3:39 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-09  4:02   ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-09  7:29     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-09  7:41       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-10  2:39       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-10  3:52       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-10  7:47       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-10 20:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-11 18:38           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-09  5:12   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-09  5:32     ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-09  9:36       ` Rob Landley
2002-02-09  9:57         ` Momchil Velikov
2002-02-09 10:01           ` Alexander Viro
2002-02-09 18:09             ` Rob Landley
2002-02-09 15:08           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-10  4:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-09 10:14     ` David Lang
2002-02-09 15:54       ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-09 16:50         ` Tom Rini
2002-02-09 17:05           ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-09 21:01             ` David Lang
2002-02-09 21:41               ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-09 23:36                 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-09 23:45                   ` Tom Rini
2002-02-10  0:42                     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-09 23:52                   ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-10  4:13                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-10 18:02                     ` Tom Rini
2002-02-10  5:25                 ` William Stearns
2002-02-11 17:30                   ` Padraig Brady
2002-02-13 11:59                     ` Padraig Brady
2002-02-09  9:27   ` pull vs push (was Re: [bk patch] Make cardbus compile in -pre4) Rob Landley
2002-02-09 10:08     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-09 18:12       ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-09 20:59         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-02-09 20:12           ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-09 20:26             ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-09 20:51               ` Stelian Pop
2002-02-09 23:45                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-09 23:49                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-02-09 20:57               ` Pau Aliagas
2002-02-09 21:07                 ` David Lang
2002-02-09 21:13                   ` Pau Aliagas
2002-02-09 21:45               ` Rob Landley
2002-02-10  0:19               ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-10  0:36               ` Herbert Xu
2002-02-10  0:54                 ` ssh primer (was Re: pull vs push (was Re: [bk patch] Make cardbus compile in -pre4)) Jeff Garzik
2002-02-10  0:59                   ` Herbert Xu
2002-02-10  1:24                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-10  8:13                       ` Herbert Xu
2002-02-13 17:13                       ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-02-14  0:22                         ` Rob Landley
2002-02-14  6:57                           ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-02-14 11:00                           ` Harald Arnesen [this message]
2002-02-10  0:59                   ` Ben Pfaff
2002-02-10  1:14                   ` David Lang
2002-02-10  1:22                     ` ssh primer (was Re: pull vs push (was Re: [bk patch] Make cardbuscompile " Jeff Garzik
2002-02-10  2:46               ` pull vs push (was Re: [bk patch] Make cardbus compile in -pre4) Alan Cox
2002-02-11 11:51     ` Pavel Machek
2002-02-11 18:42       ` John Alvord
2002-02-09 11:44 ` [bk patch] Make cardbus compile in -pre4 Peter Osterlund
2002-02-14 13:50 ssh primer (was Re: pull vs push (was Re: [bk patch] Make cardbus compile in -pre4)) Jesse Pollard

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