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From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Tim Murray <timmurray@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] f2fs: move f2fs to use reader-unfair rwsems
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 13:55:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ef383e2-b34c-6fae-7f60-ae507303b5bd@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ydx+u9YpzS8AZHrl@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>


On 1/10/22 13:45, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:18:27AM -0500, Waiman Long wrote:
>> On 1/10/22 03:05, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>> Adding the locking primitive maintainers to this patch adding open coded
>>> locking primitives..
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 08, 2022 at 08:46:17AM -0800, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
>>>> From: Tim Murray <timmurray@google.com>
>>>>
>>>> f2fs rw_semaphores work better if writers can starve readers,
>>>> especially for the checkpoint thread, because writers are strictly
>>>> more important than reader threads. This prevents significant priority
>>>> inversion between low-priority readers that blocked while trying to
>>>> acquire the read lock and a second acquisition of the write lock that
>>>> might be blocking high priority work.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Tim Murray <timmurray@google.com>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
>> We could certainly implement a down_read() variant (e.g.
>> down_read_lowprio()) with its own slowpath function to do this within the
>> rwsem code as long as there is a good use-case for this kind of
>> functionality.
> I think _unfair() or something along those lines is a *much* better
> naming that _lowprio(). Consider a RT task ending up calling _lowprio().
> That just doesn't make conceptual sense.
I am fine with the _unfair() name as I am not good at naming:-)
>
> And then there's the lockdep angle; the thing being unfair will lead to
> scenarios where lockdep will give a false positive because it expects
> the r-w-r order to block things, which won't happen. A position needs to
> be taken a-prioriy.

Right, we may need to twist lockdep to match the new behavior if we are 
going to provide such a functionality.

Cheers,
Longman


  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-10 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-08 16:46 Jaegeuk Kim
2022-01-10  8:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-01-10 15:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-10 16:18   ` Waiman Long
2022-01-10 18:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-10 18:55       ` Waiman Long [this message]
2022-01-10 19:41     ` Tim Murray
2022-01-11  4:15       ` Waiman Long
2022-01-11  6:53         ` Tim Murray
2022-01-11 15:04           ` Waiman Long
2022-01-11 17:07             ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-01-11 22:01               ` Waiman Long
2022-01-12  0:25                 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-01-12 15:08                   ` Waiman Long
2022-01-12 14:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-12 22:06         ` Tim Murray
2022-02-23  7:42         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-23 17:48           ` Jaegeuk Kim

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