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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Tim Murray <timmurray@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] f2fs: move f2fs to use reader-unfair rwsems
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 19:45:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ydx+u9YpzS8AZHrl@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a23a3226-95d9-9835-c1c7-2d13f4a1ee16@redhat.com>

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:18:27AM -0500, Waiman Long wrote:
> 
> On 1/10/22 03:05, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > Adding the locking primitive maintainers to this patch adding open coded
> > locking primitives..
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 08, 2022 at 08:46:17AM -0800, Jaegeuk Kim wrote:
> > > From: Tim Murray <timmurray@google.com>
> > > 
> > > f2fs rw_semaphores work better if writers can starve readers,
> > > especially for the checkpoint thread, because writers are strictly
> > > more important than reader threads. This prevents significant priority
> > > inversion between low-priority readers that blocked while trying to
> > > acquire the read lock and a second acquisition of the write lock that
> > > might be blocking high priority work.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Tim Murray <timmurray@google.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
> 
> We could certainly implement a down_read() variant (e.g.
> down_read_lowprio()) with its own slowpath function to do this within the
> rwsem code as long as there is a good use-case for this kind of
> functionality.

I think _unfair() or something along those lines is a *much* better
naming that _lowprio(). Consider a RT task ending up calling _lowprio().
That just doesn't make conceptual sense.

And then there's the lockdep angle; the thing being unfair will lead to
scenarios where lockdep will give a false positive because it expects
the r-w-r order to block things, which won't happen. A position needs to
be taken a-prioriy.

But before all that, a sane problem description. Can't propose solutions
without having a problem.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-10 18:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-08 16:46 Jaegeuk Kim
2022-01-10  8:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-01-10 15:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-10 16:18   ` Waiman Long
2022-01-10 18:45     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-01-10 18:55       ` Waiman Long
2022-01-10 19:41     ` Tim Murray
2022-01-11  4:15       ` Waiman Long
2022-01-11  6:53         ` Tim Murray
2022-01-11 15:04           ` Waiman Long
2022-01-11 17:07             ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-01-11 22:01               ` Waiman Long
2022-01-12  0:25                 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-01-12 15:08                   ` Waiman Long
2022-01-12 14:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-12 22:06         ` Tim Murray
2022-02-23  7:42         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-23 17:48           ` Jaegeuk Kim

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