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From: Borislav Petkov <petkovbb@googlemail.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Peter Feuerer <peter@piie.net>,
	petkovbb@gmail.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lenb@kernel.org, Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Acer Aspire One Fan Control
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:53:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9ea470500905220753x6c2be25dq14422dff2acea422@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090522140930.GA26580@elf.ucw.cz>

>> >> The idea of not starting the module in kernel mode was from Matthew. And
>> >> he stated that it could harm the hardware when software controls the fan
>> >> instead of the BIOS. It may also be possible, that the warranty gets
>> >
>> > Well... hw is usually designed to protect itself.
>>
>> It seems like the fan in the aspire one's is used for cooling the
>> surrounding devices too and while the thermal envelope of the CPU is
>> much wider, the peripherals are much more susceptible to temperatures
>> outside of their allowed operating range. That's why currently the
>> driver lets the BIOS control the fan since its settings are most
>> conservative.
>
> Yep, I don't disagree. But I strongly suspect that if you force the
> fan off and overheat the machine, it will shut down in hardware before
> doing any damage.

Yep, however we won't come that far with the current driver since it
relinquishes control of the fan to the BIOS after a critical temp of
89° is reached. I'm still quite unpersuaded about that "magical" number
since it is 1 degree below the high interval boundary of the juncture
temperature of the Atom CPU. I would like to have a more reliable source
for the allowed envelope based not only on the CPU but on the whole
chipset but can't seem to find any data from Acer on that.

>> the module can still be toggled on/off from sysfs. Actually, empirically
>> measured, there seem to be three states of the fan: off, on and on-max
>> where you can hear it rotating at max RPM. The kernel module can handle
>> those completely if you know the respective ACPI EC commands and there's
>> no need for userspace daemon, IMHO.
>
> It would be still nice to let the userspace lower the trip points for
> maximum flexibility. No need for userspace _daemon_.

I'm sure Peter wouldn't mind adding some other sysfs entries in future
versions of the driver controlling exactly that.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
Boris.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-22 14:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-25  1:45 Peter Feuerer
2009-04-25  8:42 ` Peter Feuerer
2009-04-26 15:31   ` Matthew Garrett
2009-04-27 18:25     ` Peter Feuerer
2009-04-26 17:29   ` Borislav Petkov
2009-04-27 18:57     ` Peter Feuerer
2009-04-28  7:25       ` Borislav Petkov
2009-04-28 10:04         ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-04-28 20:17           ` Peter Feuerer
2009-04-28 20:31             ` Maxim Levitsky
2009-05-02 21:21               ` Peter Feuerer
2009-05-03 18:46                 ` Borislav Petkov
2009-05-06 19:41                   ` Peter Feuerer
2009-05-06 22:17                   ` Peter Feuerer
2009-05-09 17:14                     ` Borislav Petkov
2009-05-11 18:05                       ` Peter Feuerer
2009-05-12  6:02                         ` Borislav Petkov
2009-05-18 18:04                           ` Peter Feuerer
2009-05-18 20:20                             ` Joe Perches
2009-05-19  6:47                               ` Peter Feuerer
2009-05-19  7:06                                 ` Joe Perches
2009-05-24 19:22                             ` Borislav Petkov
2009-06-01 14:12                               ` Peter Feuerer
2009-06-03  7:35                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2009-06-03  8:10                                   ` Peter Feuerer
2009-06-03 10:52                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2009-06-03 11:29                                       ` Peter Feuerer
2009-06-03 13:07                                       ` Peter Feuerer
2009-06-03 14:49                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2009-06-01 14:18                               ` Peter Feuerer
2009-06-03  7:39                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2009-06-03  7:52                                   ` Peter Feuerer
2009-06-03  8:00                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2009-05-19 20:30                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-22 11:50                           ` Borislav Petkov
2009-05-22 14:09                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-22 14:53                               ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2009-05-24 11:13                                 ` Peter Feuerer
2009-05-22 16:10                               ` [PATCH] Acer Aspire One Fan Contro Andreas Mohr
2009-05-22 18:24                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2009-05-22 19:35                                   ` Andreas Mohr
2009-04-26 22:20   ` [PATCH] Acer Aspire One Fan Control Joe Perches
2009-04-27 19:03     ` Peter Feuerer

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