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From: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
To: Manu Abraham <abraham.manu@gmail.com>
Cc: linux cbon <linuxcbon@yahoo.fr>,
	Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: OpenGL-based framebuffer concepts
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 01:08:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A78F7AE7-C3C2-43DA-9F17-D196CCA7632A@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44700ACC.8070207@gmail.com>

Tentatively going with the assumption put forth by Jon Smirl in his  
future-of-linux-graphics document and the open-graphics-project group  
that 3d rendering is an absolutely essential part of any next- 
generation graphics system, I'd be interested in ideas on a new or  
modified /dev/fbX device that offers native OpenGL rendering  
support.  Someone once mentioned OpenGL ES as a possibility as it  
provides extensions for multiple-process windowing environments.   
Other requirements would obviously be the ability to allow client  
programs to allocate and share out chunks of graphics memory to other  
clients (later used as textures for compositing), support for  
multiple graphics cards with different hardware renderers over  
different busses, using DMA to transfer data between cards as  
necessary (and user-configurable policy about how to divide use of  
the cards), support for single or multiple framebuffers per GPU, as  
well as an arbitrary number of hardware and software viewports per  
framebuffer.  There would also need to be a way for userspace to trap  
and emulate or ignore unsupported OpenGL commands.  The kernel would  
need some rudimentary understanding of OpenGL to be able to handle  
buggy GPUs and prevent them from hanging the PCI bus (some GPUs can  
do that if sent invalid commands), but you obviously wouldn't want a  
full software renderer in the kernel.  The system should also support  
transmitting OpenGL textures, commands, and other data asynchronously  
over a TCP socket, though doing it locally via mmap would be far more  
efficient.  I'm probably missing other necessary generics, but that  
should provide a good discussion starter.

The necessary kernel support would include a graphics-memory  
allocator, resource management, GPU-time allocation, etc, as well as  
support for an overlaid kernel console.  Ideally an improved graphics  
driver like that would be able to dump panics directly to the screen  
composited on top of whatever graphics are being displayed, so you'd  
get panics even while running X.  If that kind of support was  
available in-kernel, fixing X to not need root would be far simpler,  
plus you could also write replacement X-like tools without half the  
effort.  Given that sort of support, a rootless xserver would be a  
fairly trivial wrapper over whatever underlying implementation there  
was.

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett


  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-23  5:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 321+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-16 21:41 replacing X Window System ! linux cbon
2006-05-16 21:51 ` Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-16 21:57 ` Måns Rullgård
2006-05-16 23:23   ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-05-16 22:19 ` alan
2006-05-16 22:42   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-16 23:05     ` alan
2006-05-17 11:47   ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 12:18     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 12:39       ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 13:19         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 14:10           ` Panagiotis Issaris
2006-05-17 14:19             ` Ondrej Zary
2006-05-17 14:23             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-05-17 14:46               ` Bob Copeland
2006-05-17 13:24         ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-05-17 13:46           ` Bob Copeland
2006-05-17 14:01             ` Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-17 13:39         ` Jesper Juhl
2006-05-17 14:53           ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 15:09             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 15:14               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 15:30                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-05-17 16:29                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 15:53                 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 16:09                   ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-05-17 16:12                   ` Stas Myasnikov
2006-05-17 15:16             ` Alan Cox
2006-05-17 15:49               ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 16:11                 ` Stas Myasnikov
2006-05-17 17:52             ` Gábor Lénárt
2006-05-17 17:17           ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2006-05-17 17:33             ` grundig
2006-05-18 15:42               ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-05-18 18:40                 ` grundig
2006-05-18 12:00         ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-18 17:28           ` linux cbon
2006-05-18 18:42             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-18 18:52             ` Thierry Vignaud
2006-05-18 19:31               ` linux cbon
2006-05-18 19:37                 ` David Lang
2006-05-18 20:12                 ` Gerhard Mack
2006-05-18 22:22                   ` linux cbon
2006-05-19  9:09                     ` Martin Mares
2006-05-18 20:12                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-18 21:47                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-18 22:03                   ` linux cbon
2006-05-18 22:23                     ` Al Viro
2006-05-21 14:56                 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-05-19  9:26             ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-19 11:08               ` Panagiotis Issaris
2006-05-19 13:07                 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-19 14:34                 ` David Greaves
2006-05-19 14:40                   ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-19 15:13                     ` linux cbon
2006-05-19 15:18                       ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-19 22:09                         ` linux cbon
2006-05-19 22:51                           ` Peter Gordon
2006-05-21 20:49                           ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-20  0:43                         ` Jeff Carr
2006-05-19 15:01                   ` Sander
2006-05-19 22:29                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-19 22:34                       ` David Lang
2006-05-19 22:20               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-19 22:40               ` linux cbon
2006-05-20  1:02                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-20  6:31                   ` Willy Tarreau
2006-05-20  8:25                 ` jerome lacoste
2006-05-21  6:16                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-21 12:17                   ` linux cbon
2006-05-21  6:38                 ` Manu Abraham
2006-05-23  5:08                   ` Kyle Moffett [this message]
2006-05-23  0:48                     ` OpenGL-based framebuffer concepts D. Hazelton
2006-05-23 17:17                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-23 22:57                         ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-23 23:38                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-23 23:24                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24  4:21                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24  0:42                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24  4:57                                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24  1:04                                     ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 14:30                                   ` Chase Venters
2006-05-24 13:32                                 ` Paulo Marques
2006-05-24  6:39                             ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 13:17                             ` Stefan Seyfried
2006-05-24 22:08                             ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-24 22:09                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 22:41                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24  1:50                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-24  7:30                             ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-24  0:10                         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 23:27                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24  0:24                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24  7:03                           ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 13:55                             ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-24 14:49                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 14:56                                 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-24 16:15                                   ` Matheus Izvekov
2006-05-24 16:26                                     ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-24 16:32                                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-26  4:57                                         ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-26  2:09                                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-26  7:12                                         ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 16:42                                       ` Matheus Izvekov
2006-05-24 17:34                                       ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-26  7:05                                         ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-26  7:59                                           ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-26  6:58                                       ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 22:03                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-26  7:08                               ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-26  8:32                                 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-26 10:58                                   ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-26 11:06                                     ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-24 15:41                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-05-23 10:11                     ` Alan Cox
2006-05-23 10:28                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-23 14:10                         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 14:43                           ` Alan Cox
2006-05-23 15:41                             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 16:53                               ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                 ` <9b5164430605231015s40ebcd38had1c3029da8afc7@mail.gmail.com>
2006-05-23 17:21                                   ` Xiong Jiang
2006-05-24 12:47                                     ` Alan Cox
2006-05-23 23:31                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-23 15:52                             ` Rene Rebe
2006-05-23 23:41                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24  4:48                         ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24  5:24                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-23 23:38                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24  4:08                         ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24  0:17                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24  5:14                             ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24  1:30                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24  5:48                                 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24  2:11                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-26 17:53                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27 18:03                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 15:27                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 23:18                                 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24 23:56                                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25  0:31                                     ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-25  0:55                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25  2:37                                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-25  8:44                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 14:04                                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 15:07                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 15:37                                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 23:04                                                 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-25 23:17                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 23:31                                                     ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-25 23:19                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 23:48                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 15:57                                               ` Paulo Marques
2006-05-25 18:01                                                 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-26 11:26                               ` Olivier Galibert
2006-05-25 16:13                           ` Greg KH
2006-05-26 17:39                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27 18:01                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28  0:03                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-27 22:13                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28  2:34                                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-27 22:45                                     ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28  3:27                                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-28  1:12                                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28 23:13                                           ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-28 23:16                                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29  3:43                                               ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-29  4:05                                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-29  0:25                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29  4:58                                                   ` Neil Brown
2006-05-29  2:07                                                     ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29  5:14                                                     ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-29  2:09                                                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29  5:28                                                       ` Neil Brown
2006-05-29  7:14                                                   ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-31 21:42                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-31 21:15                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01  9:43                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-06-01 11:51                                                     ` Marko M
2006-06-01 15:54                                                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 21:39                                                     ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-29  0:59                                             ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-29  1:29                                               ` Daniel Stone
2006-05-29  2:28                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-30 17:40                                               ` David Lang
2006-05-30 21:53                                                 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-30 21:55                                                   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-30 22:13                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02  8:36                                                   ` Ondrej Zajicek
2006-06-02  8:58                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-02 18:49                                                       ` David Lang
2006-06-02 22:01                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-02 19:57                                                           ` David Lang
2006-06-02 23:25                                                             ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-03  6:32                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-03  7:05                                                                 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-03 16:35                                                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-03 20:55                                                                     ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-02 12:17                                                     ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-30 22:35                                                 ` Ondrej Zajicek
2006-05-30 22:55                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31  6:48                                                     ` Martin Mares
2006-05-31  7:13                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31  3:25                                                         ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-31  7:19                                                         ` Martin Mares
2006-05-31 12:09                                                       ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-31 13:34                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-31 13:56                                                         ` Martin Mares
2006-05-30 23:21                                                   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31  8:26                                                     ` Ondrej Zajicek
2006-05-31 10:25                                                       ` Marko M
2006-05-31 11:59                                                       ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31 19:24                                                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-05-31 19:57                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 20:32                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-31 21:23                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01  2:21                                                         ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-29 10:23                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-29 10:36                                               ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-29 12:48                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-29 21:23                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-29 21:45                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-30 17:44                                                       ` David Lang
2006-05-30 20:18                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-29 22:10                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-29 22:58                                                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 22:57                                                     ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 23:23                                                   ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-29 23:48                                                     ` Marko M
2006-05-30  1:39                                                       ` Ian Kester-Haney
2006-05-30  2:09                                                         ` Randy.Dunlap
     [not found]                                                           ` <441e43c90605291936t19caa0eat4bd4b699e0ac9202@mail.gmail.com>
2006-05-30  2:37                                                             ` Fwd: " Ian Kester-Haney
2006-05-30 10:49                                                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-05-30 20:24                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-30 20:56                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-30 21:15                                                         ` Ian Kester-Haney
2006-05-30 23:01                                                         ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-30 23:27                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-30 23:14                                                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-31  4:02                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31  0:11                                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-31  4:16                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31  0:26                                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-31  4:39                                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31  0:45                                                                     ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01  0:50                                                                     ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01  1:37                                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01  1:56                                                                         ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01  2:19                                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 22:36                                                                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01  2:49                                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01  9:28                                                                     ` Ondrej Zajicek
2006-06-01 16:59                                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 14:59                                                                         ` David Lang
2006-06-01 16:03                                                                           ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 20:35                                                                             ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 16:47                                                                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 21:21                                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 22:22                                                                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-01 21:05                                                                               ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01 21:23                                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 21:31                                                                                   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01 21:48                                                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 22:21                                                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-01 23:14                                                                                       ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01 23:00                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-01 23:39                                                                                   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-01 23:14                                                                               ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-01 23:38                                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 23:47                                                                                   ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-02  0:45                                                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02  9:05                                                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-02  9:03                                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-02  1:15                                                                         ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-02  2:18                                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 22:34                                                                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02  2:58                                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 23:01                                                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02  3:16                                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02  0:34                                                                                 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02  2:45                                                                             ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-02  3:27                                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02  4:28                                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02  0:35                                                                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02  9:00                                                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-03  3:21                                                                             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-03  1:25                                                                               ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-03  5:55                                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-03  2:09                                                                                   ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-03  6:31                                                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-03  2:38                                                                                       ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-03  4:03                                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-08  7:02                                                                             ` Helge Hafting
2006-06-08  7:40                                                                               ` Daniel Hazelton
2006-06-08  8:30                                                                                 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-06-09  2:44                                                                                   ` Daniel Hazelton
2006-06-02  4:34                                                                           ` Ville Syrjälä
2006-06-02  0:36                                                                             ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02  6:19                                                                             ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-02 17:31                                                                               ` Ville Syrjälä
2006-06-02  1:42                                                                         ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31  8:08                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-30 23:38                                                             ` Daniel Stone
2006-05-30 23:38                                                               ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-30 23:55                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-30 23:38                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-31  0:00                                                               ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31  0:47                                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31  1:23                                                                   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31  2:34                                                                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-18 20:27           ` replacing X Window System ! D. Hazelton
2006-05-17 13:20     ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-05-17 18:34   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-16 23:10 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2006-05-17  8:46   ` Ondrej Zary
2006-05-17  9:59     ` Carlos Silva
2006-05-17 13:27     ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-05-17 17:37       ` David Schwartz
2006-05-17 17:46         ` alan
2006-05-17 17:56           ` Gábor Lénárt
2006-05-17 17:12     ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2006-05-19 10:27     ` [OT] " Jan Knutar

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